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Subject: Re: Kingsafety testset requested

Author: Torstein Hall

Date: 16:03:55 09/22/01

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On September 22, 2001 at 16:13:06, Dan Andersson wrote:

>You are rignt that 32... Qa1+ seems to lose also, but I did not like that in the
>32... Rh8 variation black has no play whatsoever for a long time. Backtracking I
>quickly realised that I was even better than I thought in the game.
>[D]r3r1k1/4p3/ppp3pB/q3p3/2pP1P2/1bN3Q1/1R4P1/6K1 b - - 0 31
>Black has to play 31... Kh7. And after 32. f5 Rg8 33. Qh4 I believe black has to
>fight to draw the game.

Some analyzing by Scgredder 5.32 og a Athlon 1.4Ghz
New position
r3r1k1/4p3/ppp3pB/q3p3/2pP1P2/1bN3Q1/1R4P1/6K1 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Shredder 5.32:

1...exd4 2.Qxg6+ Kh8
  -+  (-6.08)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
1...exd4 2.Qxg6+ Kh8
  -+  (-6.08)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
1...exd4 2.Qxg6+ Kh8
  -+  (-6.08)   Depth: 2/4   00:00:00
1...Kh7 2.Qg5
  -+  (-6.09)   Depth: 2/4   00:00:00
1...Kh7 2.Qd3
  -+  (-6.45)   Depth: 2/4   00:00:00
1...Kh7 2.f5 gxf5
  -+  (-6.86)   Depth: 2/4   00:00:00
1...Kh7 2.f5 gxf5
  -+  (-6.86)   Depth: 3/6   00:00:00
1...Kh7 2.f5 Bc2 3.Rxc2 Kxh6
  -+  (-6.59)   Depth: 4/8   00:00:00
1...Kh7 2.f5 g5 3.Bxg5 exd4
  -+  (-6.53)   Depth: 4/8   00:00:00
1...Kh7 2.f5 g5 3.Bxg5 exd4 4.Qh4+ Kg8 5.Qxd4 Qxf5
  -+  (-6.39)   Depth: 5/10   00:00:00
1...Kh7 2.f5 g5 3.Qxg5 Kh8 4.Qg7#
  -+  (-6.14)   Depth: 6/12   00:00:00  66kN
1...Kh7 2.f5 g5 3.Qxg5 Qa3 4.Rb1 exd4
  -+  (-5.64)   Depth: 6/12   00:00:00  68kN
1...Kh7 2.f5 Kh8 3.Bg7+ Kg8 4.Qxg6 Qd5 5.Bxe5+ Kf8 6.Nxd5 cxd5
  -+  (-3.47)   Depth: 6/12   00:00:00  93kN
1...Kf7 2.f5 gxf5 3.Qg7+ Ke6 4.Re2 Qxc3 5.Rxe5+ Kd6 6.Qxe7+ Rxe7
  -+  (-3.48)   Depth: 6/12   00:00:00  107kN
1...Kf7 2.f5 gxf5 3.Qg7+ Ke6 4.Re2 Qxc3 5.Rxe5+ Kd6 6.Qxe7+ Rxe7
  -+  (-3.83)   Depth: 6/12   00:00:00  110kN
1...Kf7 2.fxe5 e6 3.Rf2+ Ke7 4.Bg7 Rg8 5.Bf6+ Kd7
  -+  (-4.52)   Depth: 6/12   00:00:00  228kN
1...Kh8 2.dxe5
  -+  (-4.53)   Depth: 6/12   00:00:00  252kN
1...Kh8 2.dxe5 Rg8 3.Qxg6
  -+  (-4.88)   Depth: 6/12   00:00:00  259kN
1...Kh8 2.Qxg6 Rg8 3.Qh5 exd4 4.Bg5+ Kg7 5.Bh6+ Kf6 6.Bg5+ Ke6 7.Qe2+ Kd7
8.Qxe7+ Kc8 9.Qe6+ Kc7
  -+  (-5.30)   Depth: 6/12   00:00:00  311kN
1...Kh8 2.Qxg6 Rg8 3.Qh5 exd4 4.Bg5+ Kg7 5.Bh6+ Kf6 6.Bg5+ Ke6 7.Qe2+ Kd7
8.Qxe7+ Kc8 9.Qe6+ Kc7
  -+  (-5.30)   Depth: 7/14   00:00:01  396kN
1...Kh8 2.Qxg6 Rg8 3.Qh5 exd4 4.Bg5+ Kg7 5.Re2 Qc5 6.Bh6+ Kf6 7.Bg5+ Rxg5 8.Ne4+
Kf5 9.Nxg5 Kxf4
  -+  (-5.05)   Depth: 8/16   00:00:01  624kN
1...Kh8 2.Qxg6 Rg8 3.Qh5 exd4 4.Bg5+ Kg7 5.Re2 Qc5 6.Bh6+ Kf6 7.Bg5+ Rxg5
8.fxg5+ Kf5 9.Qf7+ Kxg5 10.Ne4+ Kh6 11.Nxc5 bxc5
  -+  (-4.55)   Depth: 8/16   00:00:02  704kN
1...Kh8 2.Qxg6 Rg8 3.Qh5 Bd1 4.Nxd1 exd4 5.Bg5+ Kg7 6.Bh6+ Kf6 7.Qe2
  -+  (-2.13)   Depth: 8/16   00:00:06  2277kN
1...Kf7 2.fxe5 Rh8 3.e6+ Kxe6 4.Qxg6+ Kd7 5.Qg4+ Kc7 6.Bf4+ Kd8 7.Bc7+ Kxc7
8.Nd5+ cxd5
  -+  (-2.14)   Depth: 8/16   00:00:11  4266kN
1...Kf7 2.fxe5 Rh8 3.e6+ Kxe6 4.Qxg6+ Kd7 5.Qg4+ Kc7 6.Bf4+ Kd8 7.Bc7+ Kxc7
8.Nd5+ cxd5
  -+  (-2.49)   Depth: 8/16   00:00:12  4707kN
1...Kf7 2.fxe5 Rh8 3.e6+ Kxe6 4.Re2+ Kd7 5.Rxe7+ Kxe7 6.Qc7+ Ke6 7.Qxc6+ Ke7
8.Qc7+ Ke8 9.Qc6+ Ke7 10.Qc7+
  -+  (-3.02)   Depth: 8/16   00:00:15  5484kN
1...Kh7 2.f5 Rg8 3.Qh4 gxf5 4.Qxe7+ Kxh6 5.Qh4+ Kg7 6.dxe5 Qxc3 7.Qf6+ Kh7
8.Qxf5+ Kh8 9.Qf6+ Rg7 10.Qf8+ Rxf8
  -+  (-3.03)   Depth: 8/16   00:00:15  5807kN
1...Kh7 2.f5 Rg8 3.Qh4 gxf5 4.Qxe7+ Kxh6 5.Qh4+ Kg7 6.dxe5 Qxc3 7.Qf6+ Kh7
8.Qxf5+ Kh8 9.Qf6+ Rg7 10.Qxc6
  -+  (-3.38)   Depth: 8/16   00:00:16  5956kN
1...Kh7 2.f5 Rg8 3.Qh4 gxf5 4.Bc1+ Kg6 5.Qg5+ Kf7 6.Qxf5+ Ke8 7.Qe6 Rf8 8.Qxc6+
Kf7 9.dxe5
  -+  (-4.95)   Depth: 8/16   00:00:18  6789kN
1...Kh7 2.f5 Rg8 3.Qh4 gxf5 4.Bd2+ Kg7 5.Qxe7+ Kg6 6.Qe6+ Kh5 7.dxe5
  -+  (-4.70)   Depth: 9/18   00:00:22  8186kN
1...Kh7 2.f5 Rg8 3.Qh4 gxf5 4.Bd2+ Kg6 5.Qg5+ Kf7 6.Qxf5+ Ke8 7.Qe6 Rf8 8.Qxc6+
Kf7 9.dxe5
  -+  (-4.63)   Depth: 9/18   00:00:24  8671kN
1...Kh7 2.f5 Rg8 3.Qh4 gxf5 4.Bc1+ Kg6 5.Qg5+ Kf7 6.Qxf5+ Ke8 7.Qe6 Rg7 8.Qxc6+
Kf7 9.Qxa8
  -+  (-4.38)   Depth: 10/20   00:00:39  13890kN
1...Kh7 2.f5 Rg8 3.Qh4 gxf5 4.Bc1+ Kg6 5.Qg5+ Kf7 6.Qxf5+ Ke8 7.Qe6 Rh8 8.Qxc6+
Kf7 9.Qf3+ Kg6 10.Qg4+ Kh7 11.Qf5+
  -+  (-4.05)   Depth: 10/20   00:00:47  16690kN
1...Kh7 2.f5 Rg8 3.Qh4 gxf5 4.Bc1+ Kg6 5.Qg5+ Kf7 6.Qxf5+ Ke8 7.Qe6 Rh8 8.Bg5
Qc5
  -+  (-3.80)   Depth: 11/22   00:02:23  52764kN
1...Kh7 2.f5 Rg8 3.Qh4 gxf5 4.Bc1+ Kg6 5.Qg5+ Kf7 6.Qxf5+ Ke8 7.Qe6 Rh8 8.Qxc6+
Kf7 9.Qf3+ Ke6 10.Qc6+ Kf5
  -+  (-3.30)   Depth: 11/22   00:02:55  64976kN
1...Kh7 2.f5 Rg8 3.Qh4 gxf5 4.Bc1+ Kg6 5.Qg5+ Kf7 6.Qxf5+ Ke8 7.Qe6 Rd8 8.Qxc6+
Rd7 9.Qc8+ Kf7 10.Rf2+ Kg7 11.Qxd7
  µ  (-0.82)   Depth: 11/22   00:06:03  139290kN


>[D]r5r1/4p2k/ppp3pB/q3pP2/2pP3Q/1bN5/1R4P1/6K1 b - - 0 33

And here are Schredder 5.32 thoughts on this one:
New position
r5r1/4p2k/ppp3pB/q3pP2/2pP3Q/1bN5/1R4P1/6K1 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Shredder 5.32:


1...gxf5 2.Be3+ Kg6 3.Qg5+ Kf7 4.Qxf5+ Ke8 5.Qe6 Qa1+ 6.Rb1 Qxc3 7.Qxc6+ Kd8
8.Qd5+ Kc7 9.Qxe5+ Kd8 10.Qd5+ Ke8 11.Qc6+
  µ  (-0.74)   Depth: 11/22   00:01:56  42251kN
1...gxf5 2.Be3+ Kg6 3.Qg5+ Kf7 4.Qxf5+ Ke8 5.Qe6 Qa1+ 6.Rb1 Qxc3 7.Qxc6+ Kd8
8.Qd5+ Kc7 9.Qxe5+ Kd8 10.Qd5+ Kc8 11.Qc6+
  ³  (-0.33)   Depth: 11/22   00:03:31  80987kN

(Olaf, MyTown 22.09.2001)

But if I let Schredder do gxf5 it says 2.Bd2+ is a draw for white:

New position
r5r1/4p2k/ppp4B/q3pp2/2pP3Q/1bN5/1R4P1/6K1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Shredder 5.32:

2.Bd2+ Kg6 3.Qg5+ Kf7 4.Qxf5+ Ke8 5.Qe6 Rf8 6.Qxc6+ Kd8 7.Qxa8+ Kd7 8.Qxf8 exd4
  -+  (-2.33)   Depth: 8/16   00:00:03  1169kN
2.Bd2+ Kg6 3.Qg5+ Kf7 4.Qxf5+ Ke8 5.Qe6 Rg3 6.Qxc6+ Kf7 7.Qxa8 Rxc3 8.Bxc3 Qxc3
9.Rf2+ Ke6 10.dxe5
  -+  (-1.94)   Depth: 8/16   00:00:03  1317kN
2.Bd2+ Kg6 3.Qg5+ Kf7 4.Qxf5+ Ke8 5.Qe6 Rg3 6.Qxc6+ Kf7 7.Qxa8 exd4 8.Nb1 Qh5
9.Qxa6 Qd1+ 10.Kf2
  -+  (-1.73)   Depth: 9/18   00:00:07  2802kN
2.Bd2+ Kg6 3.Qg5+ Kf7 4.Qxf5+ Ke8 5.Qe6 Rg3 6.Rb1 exd4 7.Qxc6+ Kf7 8.Rf1+ Kg8
9.Ne2 Qa1 10.Qxa8+
  -+  (-1.48)   Depth: 10/20   00:00:32  11729kN
2.Bd2+ Kg6 3.Qg5+ Kf7 4.Qxf5+ Ke8 5.Qe6 Rg3 6.Rb1 exd4 7.Qxc6+ Kf7 8.Rf1+ Kg8
9.Qxa8+ Kg7 10.Ne4 Kg6 11.Nxg3 Qxd2
  µ  (-0.98)   Depth: 10/20   00:00:33  12082kN
2.Bd2+ Kg6 3.Qg5+ Kf7 4.Qxf5+ Ke8 5.Qe6 Rg3 6.Rb1 exd4 7.Qxc6+ Kf7 8.Rf1+ Kg7
9.Qh6+ Kg8 10.Qe6+ Kh8 11.Qh6+ Kg8 12.Qe6+
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 10/20   00:00:41  14767kN
2.Bd2+ Kg6 3.Qg5+ Kf7 4.Qxf5+ Ke8 5.Qe6 Rg3 6.Rb1 Rd8 7.Qxc6+ Rd7 8.Qc8+ Rd8
9.Qc6+ Rd7
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 11/22   00:01:37  35965kN

(Olaf, MyTown 22.09.2001)

But what is wrong with gxf5 can you show us a winning line?

Torstein


>This is a good one. Black must avoid 33... gxf5 and it seems only 33... Rh8
>holds the balance.

New position
r6r/4p2k/ppp3pB/q3pP2/2pP3Q/1bN5/1R4P1/6K1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Shredder 5.32 after33...Rh8:

2.Qg5 Qa1+ 3.Nb1 Rag8 4.Qxe7+ Kxh6 5.Qh4+ Kg7 6.Qe7+ Kh6 7.Qh4+
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 6/12   00:00:00  38kN
2.Qg5 Qa1+ 3.Nb1 Rag8 4.Qxe7+ Kxh6 5.Qh4+ Kg7 6.Qe7+ Kh6 7.Qh4+
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 7/14   00:00:00  150kN
2.Qg5 Qa1+ 3.Nb1 Rag8 4.Qxe7+ Kxh6 5.Qh4+ Kg7 6.Qe7+ Kh6 7.Qh4+
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 8/16   00:00:02  821kN
2.Qg5 Qa1+ 3.Nb1 Rag8 4.Qxe7+ Kxh6 5.Qh4+ Kg7 6.Qe7+ Kh6 7.Qh4+
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 9/18   00:00:09  3827kN
2.Qg5 Qa1+ 3.Nb1 Rag8 4.Qxe7+ Kxh6 5.Qh4+ Kg7 6.Qe7+ Kh6 7.Qh4+
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 10/20   00:00:32  12466kN

(Olaf, MyTown 22.09.2001)


And then white has a plethora of tries, I can't find a
>winning variation. For example 34. Bg7+ Kxg7 35. Qxe7+ ...
>[D]r6r/4Q1k1/ppp3p1/q3pP2/2pP4/1bN5/1R4P1/6K1 b - - 0 35
>35...Kg8/h6 and black seems to hold on by a thread. Or 34. Bc1+ Kg8 35. Qxe7
>[D]r5k1/4Q2r/ppp3p1/q3pP2/2pP4/1bN5/1R4P1/2B3K1 w - - 0 36
>Rh7 and black seems to draw by a fraction of an inch again.
>When backtracking I came to the conclusion that in:
>[D]r3r1k1/4p2p/ppp3PB/q3p3/2pP1P2/1bN5/1R4P1/4Q1K1 b - - 0 30
>Black must avoid 30... hxg6, that should be a hard one. I have a hunch that
>30... Kh8 might be the best move, avoiding the opening of the king position.
>
>MvH Dan Andersson



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