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Subject: Re: Cleaned ECM aka WACII revisited

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 10:36:05 09/23/01

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[D]2r1r1k1/pp1nbpp1/4pn1p/q3NN1P/P1pP1B2/2P5/1PQ2PP1/R3R1K1 w - - bm Nxg7;
id "ECM.1227";

>>I think Bringer's solution here is even prettier than the original one ;-)

Nxg7 is hell better. DIEP needs 3 minutes to fail high and PV under 4 minutes:

00:00 0 0 7 (0) 1 0.446 Nf5xe7 Re8xe7
00:00 0 0 123 (0) 1 0.495 b2-b4
00:00 0 0 529 (0) 2 -0.329 b2-b4 c4xb3 Nf5xe7 Re8xe7
++ f5-e7
00:00 0 0 537 (0) 2 0.446 Nf5xe7 Re8xe7
00:00 0 0 1608 (71) 3 0.218 Nf5xe7 Re8xe7 Qc2-d1 Nd7xe5 Re1xe5
++ e5-d7
00:00 0 0 4316 (1544) 3 0.499 Ne5xd7 Qa5xf5 Qc2xf5 e6xf5
00:00 0 0 6804 (1544) 4 0.237 Ne5xd7 Nf6xd7 Nf5xe7 Re8xe7
++ f5-e7
00:00 0 0 9253 (1544) 4 0.302 Nf5xe7 Re8xe7 Ne5xd7 Nf6xd7 Qc2-e2
++ f5-h6
00:00 0 0 13538 (2130) 4 1.077 Nf5xh6 g7xh6 Ne5xf7 Nd7-f8 Nf7xh6 Kg8-g7
00:00 0 0 35174 (2284) 5 0.725 Nf5xh6 g7xh6 Ne5xf7 Qa5xh5 Nf7xh6 Kg8-h8 Re1xe6 B
e7-f8 Re6xe8 Rc8xe8
00:00 0 0 48650 (2328) 6 0.725 Nf5xh6 g7xh6 Ne5xf7 Qa5xh5 Nf7xh6 Kg8-h8 Re1xe6 B
e7-f8 Re6xe8 Rc8xe8
00:02 0 0 200812 (47985) 7 0.786 Nf5xh6 g7xh6 Ne5xf7 Nf6xh5 b2-b4 c4xb3 Qc2-g6 N
h5-g7 Bf4xh6
00:06 0 0 651032 (122343) 8 0.553 Nf5xh6 g7xh6 Ne5xf7 Qa5xh5 Nf7xh6 Kg8-h8 Re1xe
6 Be7-f8 Re6xe8 Rc8xe8 Nh6-f5 Re8-e2
00:11 0 0 1260696 (128407) 9 0.553 Nf5xh6 g7xh6 Ne5xf7 Qa5xh5 Nf7xh6 Kg8-h8 Re1x
e6 Be7-f8 Re6xe8 Rc8xe8 Nh6-f5 Re8-e2
00:26 0 0 3053529 (243713) 10 0.553 Nf5xh6 g7xh6 Ne5xf7 Qa5xh5 Nf7xh6 Kg8-h8 Re1
xe6 Be7-f8 Re6xe8 Rc8xe8 Nh6-f5 Re8-e2
01:21 0 0 9647965 (696416) 11 0.110 Nf5xh6 g7xh6 Ne5xf7 Qa5xh5 Nf7xh6 Kg8-h8 Re1
-e3 Nf6-d5 Re3-h3 Qh5xh3 Qc2-g6 Qh3xg2 Qg6xg2 Nd5xf4 Qg2xb7
++ f5-g7
03:48 0 0 26478713 (3585027) 11 0.877 Nf5xg7 Kg8xg7 Bf4xh6 Kg7-g8 Re1-e3 Nd7xe5
d4xe5 Nf6xh5 Qc2-e4 Nh5-g7 Re3-g3 Be7-f8 Ra1-e1 Qa5xa4 Qe4-g4 Qa4-c2 Bh6xg7 Qc2-
f5 Qg4xf5 e6xf5 Bg7-h6 Kg8-h7
04:21 0 0 30322917 (3874495) 12 0.877 Nf5xg7 Kg8xg7 Bf4xh6 Kg7-g8 Re1-e3 Nd7xe5
d4xe5 Nf6xh5 Qc2-e4 Nh5-g7 Re3-g3 Be7-f8 Ra1-e1 Qa5xa4 Qe4-g4 Qa4-c2 Bh6xg7 Qc2-
f5 Qg4xf5 e6xf5
06:23 0 0 44889293 (5149494) 13 0.877 Nf5xg7 Kg8xg7 Bf4xh6 Kg7-g8 Re1-e3 Nd7xe5
d4xe5 Nf6xh5 Qc2-e4 Nh5-g7 Re3-g3 Be7-f8 Ra1-e1 Qa5xa4 Qe4-g4 Qa4-c2 Bh6xg7 Qc2-
f5 Qg4xf5

>>0:00:44.1  (13/40)   12455642   0.00  1.Nxd7 Nxd7 2.Rxe6
>>Both lead to a forced draw as far as I can see - or is there some hidden win
>>after Nxg7 ?
>
>This position isn't found by Crafty either. Crafty considers Nxd7 for a while
>but after that switches to Nxe7. In another post this position this position is
>called for sure won by white. So yes there must be a hidden win. Deep Fritz says
>Nxg7 with a score of +1.09 afer 1 hour analyzing.
>
>>[D]rnb2rk1/pp2bppp/2p5/q7/4NN2/4B1QP/PPP3P1/2KR3R w - - bm Rd5; id "ECM.1259";
>>
>>This one looks wrong but this has been discussed before.
>
>Correct
>>
>>0:00:00.5  ( 7/16)     124311  -0.59  1.Bd4 f6 2.Kb1 Qb5 3.Nc3 Qc4
>>(Mat=-105,50=4)
>>0:00:00.8  ( 7/20)     198362  -0.58  1.Nd5  (Mat=-105,50=1)
>>0:00:00.9  ( 7/20)     221167  -0.23  1.Nd5 cxd5 2.Bh6 g6 3.Qe5  (Mat=-440,50=1)
>>0:00:01.6  ( 8/22)     350411   0.17  1.Nd5  (Mat=-105,50=1)
>>0:00:01.9  ( 8/22)     482997   0.57  1.Nd5  (Mat=-105,50=1)
>>0:00:03.4  ( 8/30)     875358   1.45  1.Nd5 Bh4 2.Nef6+ Bxf6 3.Nxf6+ Kh8 4.Qd6
>>Nd7 5.Nxd7  (Mat=235,50=0)
>>0:00:05.3  ( 9/30)    1378602   1.46  1.Nd5 Bh4 2.Nef6+ Bxf6 3.Nxf6+ Kh8 4.Qd6
>>Nd7
>>0:00:08.8  (10/30)    2302704   1.06  1.Nd5 Bh4  (Mat=-105,50=2)
>>0:00:11.5  (10/30)    2916154   1.06  1.Nd5 Bh4 2.Nef6+  (Mat=-105,50=3)
>>0:00:25.7  (11/34)    7039167   1.46  1.Nd5  (Mat=-105,50=1)
>>0:00:39.8  (11/34)   11031090   1.86  1.Nd5  (Mat=-105,50=1)
>>
>>[D]2kr2r1/2pqbp1p/p1n1b3/1P1pP3/4n3/1BP1BN2/1P4PP/RN1Q1RK1 b - - bm Bh3; id
>>"ECM.1426";
>>
>>Unclear.
>>
>>0:00:48.6  (11/29)   12622358  -0.45  1...axb5 2.Qd3 Bh3 3.Ra8+ Nb8 4.Ne1 Be6
>>5.Nd2 f5 6.exf6 Nxf6 7.Ra7  (Mat=0,50=1)
>
>12->   4:30   0.00   1. ... Bh3 2. Ne1 Bxg2 3. Nxg2 Rxg2+ 4. Kxg2 Rg8+ 5. Kh1
>Ng3+ 6. Kg2 Ne4+
>>
>>Der Bringer obviously doesn't understand this completely but the axb5 idea
>>_followed_ by Bh3 seems to be just as good as the immediate Bh3.
>>Analysis with chessprograms always led to a quick 0.00 in either case. 1...Bh3
>>is the principle move, but is it the only one ?
>>
>>[D]2r2rk1/pp2pp1p/2np2p1/q4P2/2PBP1b1/2N5/PP1Q2PP/R4RK1 w - - bm h3; id
>>"ECM.1527";
>>
>>It seems 1.Qh6 is just as good as 1.h3 .
>>
>>0:00:00.8  ( 8/16)     215876   0.15  1.f6 exf6 2.Bxf6 Qc5+ 3.Rf2 Qxc4 4.Qxd6
>>0:00:01.3  ( 8/20)     369391   0.66  1.h3  (Mat=0,50=0)
>>0:00:02.7  ( 9/22)     732766   0.96  1.h3 Nxd4 2.Qxd4 e5 3.Qe3 Bxf5 4.exf5 Rxc4
>>5.f6  (Mat=135,50=0)
>>0:00:04.5  (10/22)    1205944   0.90  1.h3 Nxd4 2.Qxd4 e5 3.Qd2 Bxf5 4.exf5 Qb6+
>>0:00:10.7  (11/29)    3128990   1.07  1.h3 Nxd4 2.Qxd4 e5 3.Qd5 Qb6+ 4.Rf2 Rc5
>>5.Qd3 gxf5  (Mat=-105,50=0)
>>0:00:21.3  (11/29)    5898800   1.08  1.Qh6  (Mat=0,50=1)
>>0:00:43.4  (11/30)   12099591   1.55  1.Qh6 f6 2.fxg6 Qh5 3.gxh7+ Kh8 4.Qe3 b6
>>5.Nd5  (Mat=200,50=1)
>
>h3 seems much stronger for crafty:
>               12    30.26   2.33   1. h3 Be2 2. b4 Qxb4 3. Rfb1 Qxc4 4.
>                                    Nxe2 Qa6 5. Bc3 h6 6. fxg6 fxg6
>>
>>1.Qh6 Nxd4 2.Nd5 Rfe8 3.f6 Ne6 4.fxe7 and smash.
>>
>>[D]r1b2r1k/ppppq1pp/2n1n3/6N1/2B2P2/4B3/PPP3PP/R2Q1RK1 w - - bm Nxh7; id
>>"ECM.1612";
>>
>>I don't really understand this position. 1.Nxh7 Kxh7 2.Qh5+ Kg8 3.f5 Ne5 4.Bb3
>>Qe8 5. Qh4 probably ?
>>Nice position. 1.Bxe6 dxe6 2.Qd3 g6 3.Rad1 - nice position,too. 1.Qh5 g6 2.Qh6
>>Qg7 3.Qxg7+ etc as Crafty suggested - not bad either.
>>Is there some original analysis availlable explaining it?
>>
>>0:01:26.4  (13/35)   24211223   0.64  1.Bxe6 dxe6 2.Qd3 g6 3.Rad1 Rf5 4.Qc3+ Kg8
>> (Mat=0,50=4)
>>
>>
>>The other positions all look like they have a nice and singular solution.
>>
>>Regards,
>>pete



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