Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 14:34:30 09/23/01
Go up one level in this thread
On September 22, 2001 at 22:19:40, Koundinya Veluri wrote: >On September 22, 2001 at 18:31:43, Thomas Mayer wrote: > >>Hi Vincent, >> >>>>[Event "1st Intl. CSVN Trn."] >>>>[Site "Leiden NED"] >>>>[Date "2001.05.20"] >>>>[Round "07"] >>>>[White "Tao"] >>>>[Black "Quark"] >>>>[Result "1-0"] >>>> >>>>1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Nf6 3. f4 Nxe4 4. Nc3 Nd6 5. Bb3 exf4 6. Nf3 Be7 7. Ne5 >>>>Bh4+ 8. g3 fxg3 9. O-O gxh2+ 10. Kh1 O-O 11. Qh5 Bf6 12. d4 b6 13. Kxh2 Ba6 >>>>14. Rf3 Bxe5+ 15. dxe5 g6 16. Qh6 Qe7 17. exd6 Qxd6+ 18. Bf4 Qd4 19. Ne4 >>>>Bf1 20. Raxf1 >>>>1-0 >>>> >>>> >>>>Quark fall in a booktrap here... last bookmove of Tao was 12. d4 (Quark was >>>>after 3. f4 out of book) >> >>>>position after 12. d4 >>>>[D]rnbq1rk1/pppp1ppp/3n1b2/4N2Q/3P4/1BN5/PPP4p/R1B2R1K b - d3 0 12 >> >>>Well too late already for book traps here IMHO everything loses here. >>>Is this a position where there is a best move for black anyway? >> >>no, not for black - the test is like this: take Yace as black and for white an >>engine of your choice... then let them play with different time controls... you >>will see that for many engines this is not as easy as it looks ! As I have said, >>crafty has failed as white, Shredder has failed as white and several other >>engines... I believe that Diep will handle it well... but many engines don't - >>e.g. my quark is still not doing a very clever job here... but with longer time >>controls it wins... >> >>So that's why I offer this position here - as I always say - it is not only >>important to have a good position, the engine must win it... I think now I have >>my quark at a point where it's king safety is good enough to see that black is >>under attack not white... (Quarks king safety has now nothing static anymore in >>it... that helps a lot...) >> >>>Not only to do with position i think , especially tactics here. >> >>hm, I don't think that crafty is bad in tactics... but anyway it fails here... >>(maybe with longer time controls it wins this, but I think 15 minutes must be >>enough here for the rest of the game...) >> >>Greets, Thomas > >About the tactics, I think tactics are just as important here too. I played some >games from this position with King of Kings vs Yace and often, while Yace has >already realized that it is losing, King of Kings still thinks it is negative >and if it gets the right move, it just got lucky! In some positions it takes a >long time to get the correct score to go along with the move and this affects >move choices before these positions. But of course king attacks always involve >tactics... Great position anyway, thanks. no tactics needed here. Diep 8 ply also would win against any opponent here. only an engine that plays active is what you need. Commercial engines except from Shredder are pretty active playing. that's the difference in tuning with amateurs (but also years of fulltime work). >Koundinya
This page took 0 seconds to execute
Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700
Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.