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Subject: Re: ECM.1354

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 19:14:51 09/24/01

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On September 24, 2001 at 16:06:45, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On September 24, 2001 at 06:59:42, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On September 24, 2001 at 01:41:30, Michel Langeveld wrote:
>>
>>>a3 seems to be also a very good move
>>>
>>>======================================================================
>>>! ECM.1354 !
>>>======================================================================
>>>
>>>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>    8  | *R|   |   | *Q|   | *R| *K|   |
>>>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>    7  | *P|   |   |   |   |   | *P| *P|
>>>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>    6  | *B| *N|   | *P|   | *P|   |   |
>>>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>    5  |   |   | *P| P |   |   |   |   |
>>>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>    4  |   | *B| P |   | N | P |   |   |
>>>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>    3  |   |   |   | B |   | R |   |   |
>>>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>    2  | P | B | Q |   |   |   | P | P |
>>>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>    1  | R |   |   |   |   |   | K |   |
>>>       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
>>>         a   b   c   d   e   f   g   h
>>>
>>>solution 1. Ng5
>>>              time surplus   0.00  time limit 20:00 (20:00)
>>>         nss  depth   time  score   variation (1)
>>>                7     0.33   0.56   1. Ng3 Kh8 2. a3 Ba5 3. Re3 Re8 4.
>>>                                    Rxe8+ Qxe8 5. Rb1
>>>                7->   0.71   0.56   1. Ng3 Kh8 2. a3 Ba5 3. Re3 Re8 4.
>>>                                    Rxe8+ Qxe8 5. Rb1
>>>                8     0.88   0.42   1. Ng3 Kh8 2. a3 Ba5 3. Re3 Re8 4.
>>>                                    Nf5 Rxe3 5. Nxe3
>>>                8     1.54   0.47   1. Nf2 Kh8 2. Rh3 h6 3. Rb1 Re8 4.
>>>                                    Bg6 Re7
>>>                8->   4.18   0.47   1. Nf2 Kh8 2. Rh3 h6 3. Rb1 Re8 4.
>>>                                    Bg6 Re7
>>>                9     5.11   0.45   1. Nf2 h6 2. a3 Ba5 3. Re3 Re8 4. Re6
>>>                                    Rb8 5. Rb1
>>>                9     9.28   0.52   1. Rh3 h6 2. a3 Ba5 3. Rb1 Rb8 4. Re3
>>>                                    Re8 5. Qe2
>>>                9    14.25   0.54   1. Re3 Rb8 2. Ng3 Re8 3. Re6 Kf8 4.
>>>                                    Nf5 Nc8 5. Rb1
>>>                9->  15.43   0.54   1. Re3 Rb8 2. Ng3 Re8 3. Re6 Kf8 4.
>>>                                    Nf5 Nc8 5. Rb1
>>>               10    31.38   0.48   1. Re3 Qd7 2. Ng3 Kh8 3. a3 Ba5 4.
>>>                                    Rf1 Rae8 5. Bf5 Qc7 <HT>
>>>               10    46.82     ++   1. Ng5!!
>>>               10     1:02   2.45   1. Ng5 h6 2. Ne6 Qd7 3. Nxf8 Rxf8 4.
>>>                                    a3 Ba5 5. Bh7+ Kh8 6. Bf5
>>>               10->   1:03   2.45   1. Ng5 h6 2. Ne6 Qd7 3. Nxf8 Rxf8 4.
>>>                                    a3 Ba5 5. Bh7+ Kh8 6. Bf5
>>>               11     1:14   2.45   1. Ng5 h6 2. Ne6 Qc8 3. Nxf8 Qxf8 4.
>>>                                    a3 Ba5 5. Re3 Re8 6. Re6
>>>               11->   1:19   2.45   1. Ng5 h6 2. Ne6 Qc8 3. Nxf8 Qxf8 4.
>>>                                    a3 Ba5 5. Re3 Re8 6. Re6
>>>               12     2:07     ++   1. Ng5!!
>>>               12     5:37   3.08   1. a3 Ba5 2. Ng5 Re8 3. Bxh7+ Kf8 4.
>>>                                    Bg6 Nxc4 5. Rh3 Qb6 6. Rh8+ Ke7 7.
>>>                                    Rxe8+ Rxe8 8. Qe4+ Ne5 9. Bxe5 dxe5
>>>                                    10. Bxe8 Kxe8
>>>               12->   5:44   3.08   1. a3 Ba5 2. Ng5 Re8 3. Bxh7+ Kf8 4.
>>>                                    Bg6 Nxc4 5. Rh3 Qb6 6. Rh8+ Ke7 7.
>>>                                    Rxe8+ Rxe8 8. Qe4+ Ne5 9. Bxe5 dxe5
>>>                                    10. Bxe8 Kxe8
>>>               13     6:18   3.37   1. a3 Ba5 2. Ng5 Re8 3. Bxh7+ Kf8 4.
>>>                                    Bg6 Nxc4 5. Bxe8 Qxe8 6. Ne6+ Kg8 7.
>>>                                    Rg3 Kh8 8. Rxg7 Nxb2 9. Qxb2
>>>               13->   6:56   3.37   1. a3 Ba5 2. Ng5 Re8 3. Bxh7+ Kf8 4.
>>>                                    Bg6 Nxc4 5. Bxe8 Qxe8 6. Ne6+ Kg8 7.
>>>                                    Rg3 Kh8 8. Rxg7 Nxb2 9. Qxb2
>>>               14     8:47     --   1. a3
>>>               14     9:35   3.05   1. a3 Ba5 2. Ng5 h6 3. Bh7+ Kh8 4.
>>>                                    Rh3 Nxc4 5. Bg8 f5 6. Bf7 Qxg5 7. fxg5
>>>                                    Rxf7 8. gxh6 Nxb2 9. hxg7+ Kg8 10.
>>>                                    Qxb2 Rxg7
>>
>>
>>Crafty can see a bigger score for white after 1.Ng5 at depthes 10,11 so I do not
>>understand the fact that it could not find 1.Ng5 at depth 13 based on the
>>analysis
>>
>>I also do not understand the +2.45 score at depthes 10,11 because my Crafty18.10
>>can find signidicantly bigger score at these depthes in the root position
>>
>>New position
>>[D]r2q1rk1/p5pp/bn1p1p2/2pP2N1/1bP2P2/3B1R2/PBQ3PP/R5K1 b - - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Crafty 18.10:
>>
>>1...fxg5 2.Bxh7+
>>  -+  (-2.21)   Depth: 1/10   00:00:00
>>1...fxg5 2.Bxh7+ Kh8
>>  -+  (-2.11)   Depth: 2/10   00:00:00
>>1...fxg5 2.Bxh7+ Kh8 3.a3
>>  -+  (-2.08)   Depth: 3/10   00:00:00
>>1...fxg5 2.a3 Ba5 3.Bxh7+ Kh8
>>  -+  (-1.99)   Depth: 4/11   00:00:00
>>1...fxg5 2.a3 Ba5 3.Bxh7+ Kh8 4.Qg6 Nxc4 5.Bxg7#
>>  -+  (-2.01)   Depth: 5/19   00:00:00
>>1...fxg5 2.Bxh7+ Kh8 3.Qg6 Qe7 4.Qh6 Rxf4 5.Bf5+ Kg8 6.Be6+ Kf8 7.Rxf4+ gxf4
>>8.Qxf4+
>>  -+  (-1.77)   Depth: 6/19   00:00:00  58kN
>>1...fxg5 2.Bxh7+ Kh8 3.Rh3 Rf6 4.a3 Ba5 5.Bxf6 Qxf6
>>  ³  (-0.34)   Depth: 7/20   00:00:01  333kN
>>1...fxg5 2.Bxh7+ Kh8 3.Rh3 Bc3 4.Bf5+ Kg8 5.Be6+ Rf7 6.Bxc3 Nxc4
>>  +-  (4.04)   Depth: 8/25   00:00:03  1181kN
>>1...Re8
>>  +-  (3.64)   Depth: 8/25   00:00:03  1498kN
>>1...Re8 2.Bxh7+ Kf8 3.Ne6+ Rxe6 4.dxe6 Nxc4 5.a3 Bd2 6.Be4
>>  +-  (3.50)   Depth: 8/25   00:00:05  2022kN
>>1...h6
>>  +-  (3.10)   Depth: 8/25   00:00:06  2711kN
>>1...h6 2.Ne6 Qe7 3.Rg3 Rf7 4.Bh7+ Kh8 5.Bg6 Rff8 6.Nxf8 Rxf8
>>  +-  (2.83)   Depth: 8/25   00:00:07  2874kN
>>1...h6 2.Bh7+ Kh8 3.Bg8 f5 4.Bf7 Nxc4 5.Qxf5 Qxg5 6.fxg5 Nxb2 7.gxh6 gxh6
>>  +-  (4.82)   Depth: 9/28   00:00:12  4993kN
>>1...Re8
>>  +-  (4.42)   Depth: 9/28   00:00:12  5398kN
>>1...Re8 2.Bxh7+ Kf8 3.Ne6+ Rxe6 4.dxe6 Bxc4 5.a3 Ba5 6.Qf5 Qe7
>>  +-  (3.14)   Depth: 9/28   00:00:17  7630kN
>>1...Re8 2.Bxh7+ Kf8 3.Bg6 Nxc4 4.Bxe8 Qxe8 5.Ne6+ Kf7 6.Rg3 Qh8 7.Rxg7+ Qxg7
>>8.Nxg7 Nxb2
>>  +-  (3.47)   Depth: 10/31   00:00:36  15816kN
>>1...Re8 2.Bxh7+ Kf8 3.Qg6 Qd7 4.Bxf6 Bxc4 5.Rg3 Nxd5 6.Bxg7+ Ke7 7.Re3+ Kd8
>>8.Rxe8+ Qxe8 9.Qxd6+ Kc8 10.Ne6
>>  +-  (5.29)   Depth: 11/31   00:01:30  39760kN
>>1...g6
>>  +-  (4.89)   Depth: 11/31   00:03:07  85503kN
>>1...g6 2.Bxg6 h6 3.Ne6 Qe7 4.Bh5 Kh8 5.Qg6 Nd7 6.Nxf8 Qxf8
>>  +-  (4.81)   Depth: 11/31   00:03:33  96980kN
>>
>>(Blass, Tel-aviv 24.09.2001)
>>
>>New position
>>[D]r2q1rk1/p5pp/bn1p1p2/2pP4/1bP1NP2/3B1R2/PBQ3PP/R5K1 w - - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Crafty 18.10:
>>
>>1.Re3
>>  ²  (0.56)   Depth: 1/8   00:00:00
>>1.Re3 Re8
>>  ²  (0.28)   Depth: 2/8   00:00:00
>>1.Ng3 h6
>>  ²  (0.42)   Depth: 2/8   00:00:00
>>1.Ng3 h6 2.Re3
>>  ²  (0.70)   Depth: 3/8   00:00:00
>>1.Ng3 h6 2.a3 Ba5
>>  ²  (0.54)   Depth: 4/10   00:00:00
>>1.Ng3 h6 2.a3 Ba5 3.Re3
>>  ±  (0.82)   Depth: 5/18   00:00:00
>>1.Ng3 Kh8 2.a3 Ba5 3.Re3 Re8
>>  ²  (0.59)   Depth: 6/18   00:00:00  38kN
>>1.Ng3 Kh8 2.a3 Ba5 3.Re3 Re8 4.Rxe8+ Qxe8 5.Rb1
>>  ±  (0.71)   Depth: 7/20   00:00:00  132kN
>>1.Ng3 Kh8 2.a3 Ba5 3.Re3 Re8 4.Nf5 Rxe3 5.Nxe3
>>  ²  (0.59)   Depth: 8/26   00:00:01  410kN
>>1.Rg3 Rb8 2.Nxf6+ Rxf6 3.Bxh7+ Kf8 4.Rxg7 Kxg7 5.Qg6+ Kf8 6.Bxf6
>>  ²  (0.63)   Depth: 8/26   00:00:04  1642kN
>>1.Rg3 Rb8 2.Nf2 Kh8 3.Rh3 h6 4.a3 Ba5 5.Rb1
>>  ²  (0.66)   Depth: 9/29   00:00:07  2664kN
>>1.Rb1 Rb8 2.Ng3 Kh8 3.a3 Ba5 4.Re3 Re8 5.Re6
>>  ²  (0.69)   Depth: 9/29   00:00:11  3872kN
>>1.Nf2 Kh8 2.a3 Ba5 3.Rh3 h6 4.Re3 Re8 5.Rxe8+ Qxe8 6.Rb1
>>  ²  (0.70)   Depth: 9/29   00:00:15  5766kN
>>1.Ng5
>>  ±  (1.10)   Depth: 9/29   00:00:19  7082kN
>>1.Ng5 h5 2.Ne6 Qe7 3.Nxf8 Rxf8 4.Rh3 g6 5.Rb1
>>  +-  (2.52)   Depth: 9/29   00:00:26  10409kN
>>1.Ng5 h5 2.Ne6 Qe7 3.Nxf8 Rxf8 4.Rh3 g6 5.Rb1
>>  +-  (2.92)   Depth: 10/31   00:00:39  15608kN
>>1.Ng5 Re8 2.Ne6 Qe7 3.Rg3 Kh8 4.Rxg7 Qxg7 5.Nxg7 Kxg7 6.Rb1
>>  +-  (3.21)   Depth: 11/34   00:01:28  36849kN
>>1.Ng5 Re8 2.Ne6 Qe7 3.Rg3 Kh8 4.Rxg7 Qxg7 5.Nxg7 Kxg7 6.Rb1
>>  +-  (3.61)   Depth: 12/34   00:03:15  80555kN
>>
>>(Blass, Tel-aviv 24.09.2001)
>>
>>Uri
>
>
>I agree.  Something is wrong as I can't reproduce that score in any form
>here.  I get Ng5 in 11 seconds on a quad 500 machine.  And it sticks with it:
>
>                9     4.04   0.66   1. Rg3 Rb8 2. Nf2 Kh8 3. Rh3 h6 4.
>                                    a3 Ba5 5. Rb1
>                9     5.84   0.69   1. Ng3 Kh8 2. a3 Ba5 3. Re3 Re8 4.
>                                    Re6 Rb8 5. Rb1
>                9    11.02   0.73   1. Ng5 fxg5 2. Bxh7+ Kh8 3. Rh3 Rf6
>                                    4. Bf5+ Kg8 5. Be6+ Rf7 6. Qh7+ Kf8
>                                    7. Bxg7+ Rxg7 8. Qh8+ Rg8 9. Qxg8+
>         (4)    9->  11.69   0.73   1. Ng5 fxg5 2. Bxh7+ Kh8 3. Rh3 Rf6
>                                    4. Bf5+ Kg8 5. Be6+ Rf7 6. Qh7+ Kf8
>                                    7. Bxg7+ Rxg7 8. Qh8+ Rg8 9. Qxg8+
>               10    14.21     ++   1. Ng5!!
>         (3)   10    40.09   2.95   1. Ng5 Re8 2. Ne6 Qc8 3. Bxh7+ Kh8
>                                    4. Nxg7 Re7 5. Bf5 Qg8 6. Ne6
>               10->  41.10   2.95   1. Ng5 Re8 2. Ne6 Qc8 3. Bxh7+ Kh8
>                                    4. Nxg7 Re7 5. Bf5 Qg8 6. Ne6
>               11    48.85     ++   1. Ng5!!
>               11->   1:19   3.34   1. Ng5 Re8 2. Ne6 Qc8 3. Bxh7+ Kh8
>                                    4. Nxg7 Re7 5. Bf5 Qg8 6. Ne6

It does not switch until ply 12 up above.




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