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Subject: Re: Is Crafty broke?!

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 22:29:09 09/24/01

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On September 24, 2001 at 20:33:21, Slater Wold wrote:

>On September 24, 2001 at 19:35:51, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On September 24, 2001 at 19:10:43, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>
>>>There is no problem with crafty.
>>>It's a problem with the counters.
>>>
>>>The biggest number a long can hold is about 2 billion.
>>>
>>>That overflows very easily.
>>>
>>>If you let crafty run for more than a few minutes, the NPS figures have no
>>>meaning.  You used to be able to get negative values, but I think at least that
>>>has been fixed.
>>
>>Note that based on my experience of long analysis
>>Deep Fritz has not the same problem.
>>
>>Uri
>
>You're correct:
>
>W,S - Deep Junior 7
>rnbqk2r/1p3ppp/p7/1NpPp3/QPP1P1n1/P4N2/4KbPP/R1B2B1R b kq - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Deep Junior 7:
>
>1...cxb4 2.Nc7+ Kf8 3.Qxb4+ Kg8 4.Nxa8
>  +-  (1.99)   Depth: 3   00:00:01
>1...Kf8 2.Bg5
>  ³  (-0.30)   Depth: 3   00:00:01  1kN
>1...Kf8 2.Bg5
>  ³  (-0.30)   Depth: 3   00:00:01  1kN
>1...Kf8 2.Bg5
>  ³  (-0.30)   Depth: 3   00:00:01  1kN
>1...0-0 2.h3 cxb4 3.axb4 Bd7 4.hxg4
>  ³  (-0.32)   Depth: 3   00:00:01  4kN
>1...0-0 2.h3 Bd7 3.hxg4 axb5
>  ³  (-0.52)   Depth: 6   00:00:01  8kN
>1...0-0 2.h3 Bg3 3.hxg4 Bxg4 4.Nc3 cxb4 5.axb4
>  =  (-0.09)   Depth: 9   00:00:01  148kN
>1...0-0 2.h3 Bg3 3.hxg4 Bxg4 4.Nc3 Nd7 5.Be3 cxb4
>  ²  (0.48)   Depth: 12   00:00:02  2256kN
>1...Nc6 2.Bg5 f6 3.dxc6 0-0 4.c7 Qd7 5.Bh4 Bxh4 6.Nxh4 Qc6 7.Nc3 Qxc7
>  ²  (0.47)   Depth: 12   00:00:05  3016kN
>1...Nd7 2.Nd6+ Kf8 3.Ng5 Bd4 4.Ndxf7 Qf6 5.Rb1 Bg1 6.Nf3 Nb6 7.Qc2 Kxf7 8.Rxg1
>cxb4 9.c5 Nd7 10.axb4
>  =  (0.06)   Depth: 12   00:00:09  9620kN
>1...Nd7 2.Nd6+ Kf8 3.h3 Nb6 4.Qe8+
>  =  (0.05)   Depth: 15   00:00:43  86103kN
>1...Nd7 2.Nd6+ Kf8 3.h3 Nb6 4.Qe8+ Qxe8 5.Nxe8 Kxe8 6.hxg4 Bd4 7.Nxd4 cxd4 8.Kf3
>Ke7 9.c5 Nd7 10.Bg5+ Nf6
>  ±  (0.81)   Depth: 18   00:08:19  900744kN
>1...0-0 2.h3 Bd4 3.Nbxd4 Nf6 4.Qc2 cxd4 5.Kf2 h6 6.Be2 Nbd7 7.Rf1
>  ²  (0.43)   Depth: 18   00:09:40  900744kN
>1...0-0 2.h3 Bd4 3.Nbxd4 Nf6 4.Qc2 cxd4 5.Kf2 a5 6.Bd2 Bd7 7.Be2 axb4 8.axb4
>  ²  (0.58)   Depth: 20   00:31:35  3409915kN
>
>(W,  24.09.2001)
>
>3,409,915,000 nodes.  And not the correct solution.  :(
>
>(This is Nolot #6.)
>
>
>Slate

3,409,915,000<2^32

The real test is when the number of nodes is bigger than 2^32

Deep Fritz has no problem but I do not know remember other chessbase programs
that can  report more than 2^32 nodes

Uri



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