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Subject: Re: Waht is the biggest positional score of your program?(Crafty >37 pawns)

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 07:23:52 09/26/01

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On September 25, 2001 at 19:45:48, Slater Wold wrote:

>[D]8/8/PPPPPPPP/8/8/4K3/8/4k3 w - - 0 1
>
>Nimzo 8 - W,S
>8/8/PPPPPPPP/8/8/4K3/8/4k3 w - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Nimzo 8:
>
>1.a7 Kd1 2.Kd4 Kd2
>  +-  (76.99)   Depth: 3/14   00:00:00
>1.a7 Kd1 2.Kd4 Kd2
>  +-  (76.99)   Depth: 3/14   00:00:00
>1.a7 Kd1 2.Kd4 Kd2
>  +-  (76.99)   Depth: 3/14   00:00:00
>1.a7 Kd1 2.Kd4 Kd2
>  +-  (76.99)   Depth: 3/14   00:00:00
>1.a7 Kd1 2.Kd4 Kd2
>  +-  (76.99)   Depth: 3/14   00:00:00
>1.a7 Kd1 2.Kd4 Kd2
>  +-  (76.99)   Depth: 3/14   00:00:00
>1.a7 Kd1 2.Kd4 Kd2
>  +-  (76.99)   Depth: 3/14   00:00:00
>1.a7
>  +-  (77.25)   Depth: 5/17   00:00:00
>1.a7
>  +-  (77.89)   Depth: 5/17   00:00:00
>1.a7 Kd1 2.b7 Kc2 3.c7 Kc1 4.Ke4 Kd2
>  +-  (79.69)   Depth: 5/17   00:00:00
>1.b7
>  +-  (79.92)   Depth: 5/17   00:00:00
>1.b7 Kf1 2.g7 Kg2 3.h7 Kg1 4.Ke4 Kf2
>  +-  (79.99)   Depth: 5/17   00:00:00
>1.b7
>  +-  (#2)   Depth: 6/19   00:00:00
>1.b7 Kf1 2.g7 Kg2 3.h7 Kg1 4.g8Q+ Kf1 5.h8Q Ke1
>  +-  (#4)   Depth: 6/19   00:00:00
>
>(W,  25.09.2001)
>
>
>Shredder 5.32 - W,S
>8/8/PPPPPPPP/8/8/4K3/8/4k3 w - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Shredder 5.32:
>
>1.a7 Kd1 2.a8R
>  +-  (68.19)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
>1.a7 Kd1 2.a8B Kc2
>  +-  (67.70)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
>1.c7 Kf1 2.c8Q Kg2
>  +-  (73.28)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
>1.c7 Kf1 2.c8R Kg2
>  +-  (69.97)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
>1.c7 Kf1 2.c8R Kg2
>  +-  (67.92)   Depth: 2/4   00:00:00
>1.c7 Kf1 2.c8R Kg2
>  +-  (68.27)   Depth: 2/4   00:00:00
>1.a7 Kd1 2.a8R
>  +-  (73.30)   Depth: 2/4   00:00:00
>1.a7 Kd1 2.a8R
>  +-  (70.05)   Depth: 2/4   00:00:00
>1.a7 Kd1 2.a8R
>  +-  (73.30)   Depth: 3/6   00:00:00
>1.a7 Kd1 2.a8R
>  +-  (70.05)   Depth: 3/6   00:00:00
>1.Kd4 Ke2 2.f7 Kf3 3.f8R+ Ke2
>  +-  (73.10)   Depth: 3/6   00:00:00
>1.Kd4 Ke2 2.f7 Kf3 3.f8R+ Ke2
>  +-  (71.11)   Depth: 3/6   00:00:00
>1.Ke4 Kd2 2.c7 Kc3 3.c8R+ Kb3
>  +-  (73.18)   Depth: 3/6   00:00:00
>1.Ke4 Kd2 2.c7 Kc3 3.c8R+ Kb3
>  +-  (71.11)   Depth: 3/6   00:00:00
>1.h7 Kd1 2.h8R
>  +-  (73.30)   Depth: 3/6   00:00:00
>1.h7 Kd1 2.h8R
>  +-  (71.19)   Depth: 3/6   00:00:00
>1.Kf4 Kd2 2.c7 Kc3 3.c8R+ Kb3
>  +-  (72.96)   Depth: 3/6   00:00:00
>1.Kf4 Kd2 2.c7 Kc3 3.c8R+ Kb3
>  +-  (71.05)   Depth: 3/6   00:00:00
>1.c7 Kf1 2.g7 Ke1 3.c8Q Kd1 4.Qc1+ Kxc1
>  +-  (82.72)   Depth: 3/6   00:00:00
>1.c7 Kf1 2.g7 Ke1 3.c8Q
>  +-  (82.72)   Depth: 3/6   00:00:00
>1.c7 Kf1 2.g7 Ke1 3.c8Q
>  +-  (82.72)   Depth: 4/8   00:00:00
>1.c7 Kf1 2.g7 Ke1 3.c8Q
>  +-  (82.72)   Depth: 5/10   00:00:00
>1.c7 Kf1 2.g7 Ke1 3.c8Q
>  +-  (82.72)   Depth: 6/12   00:00:00  17kN
>1.h7 Kd1 2.c7 Kc1 3.c8Q+ Kd1 4.h8Q Ke1 5.f7 Kd1
>  +-  (82.74)   Depth: 6/12   00:00:00  43kN
>1.h7 Kd1 2.d7 Kc2 3.b7 Kb3 4.b8Q+ Kc4 5.d8R Kc5 6.h8Q Kxc6
>  +-  (84.47)   Depth: 6/12   00:00:00  102kN
>1.h7 Kd1 2.d7 Kc2 3.b7 Kb3 4.b8Q+ Kc4 5.c7 Kc5 6.c8R+ Kd5 7.d8Q+ Kxe6
>  +-  (85.29)   Depth: 6/12   00:00:00  115kN
>1.a7 Kf1 2.a8Q Kg2 3.c7+ Kh2 4.h7 Kg1 5.c8R Kh2 6.h8Q+ Kg3
>  +-  (85.47)   Depth: 6/12   00:00:00  117kN
>1.a7 Kf1 2.a8Q Kg2 3.c7+ Kh2 4.h7 Kg1 5.c8R Kh2 6.h8Q+ Kg3
>  +-  (86.49)   Depth: 6/12   00:00:00  118kN
>1.a7 Kf1 2.g7 Ke1 3.c7 Kd1 4.a8Q Kc2 5.c8R+ Kb3 6.b7 Kb4 7.b8Q#
>  +-  (#7)   Depth: 6/12   00:00:00  185kN
>1.a7 Kf1 2.g7 Ke1 3.c7 Kd1 4.a8Q Kc2 5.c8R+ Kb3 6.b7 Kb4 7.b8Q#
>  +-  (#7)   Depth: 7/14   00:00:00  294kN
>1.a7 Kd1 2.c7 Kc2 3.c8Q+ Kb2 4.g7 Kb3 5.b7 Ka2 6.a8Q+ Kb3 7.b8Q#
>  +-  (#7)   Depth: 8/16   00:00:02  2276kN
>1.a7 Kd1 2.c7 Kc2 3.c8Q+ Kb2 4.g7 Kb3 5.b7 Ka2 6.a8Q+ Kb3 7.b8Q#
>  +-  (#7)   Depth: 9/18   00:00:09  8974kN
>1.a7 Kd1 2.c7 Kc2 3.c8Q+ Kb2 4.g7 Kb3 5.b7 Ka2 6.a8Q+ Kb3 7.b8Q#
>  +-  (#7)   Depth: 10/20   00:00:26  24334kN
>
>(W,  25.09.2001)
>
>
>These are my 2 biggest.


Those are actually inviting a hysteresis problem.  If you give a bonus of +9
for an unstoppable pawn, it may _never_ promote since the threat of it promoting
is just as strong as the actual promotion.  I make the uncatchable pawn very
valuable, but it _still_ grows in value as it advances, and it grows
significantly when it promotes.  Otherwise (say) a 1 ply search will just
shuffle the king...



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