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Subject: Re: New crap statement ?

Author: Bruce Moreland

Date: 13:24:12 09/26/01

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On September 26, 2001 at 14:52:19, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On September 26, 2001 at 14:13:10, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>
>>On September 25, 2001 at 20:02:45, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>
>>>Superlinear speedup might be possible, even on average, but it would be due to a
>>>change in algorithm.
>>>
>>>For instance, you can employ a completely different algorithm for parallel
>>>sorting which will sort faster than any known serial algorithm.  Even if you
>>>divide up the work for the serial technique, the parallel algorithm will beat it
>>>because the fundamental algorithm is superior.
>>
>>Any parallel algorithm can be expressed serially, assuming that you can make the
>>hardware do the same thing both ways.
>>
>>I'm an engineer, not a math guy, but the math behind that is screaming so loudly
>>that even I can hear it.
>>
>>If what I've said is false, something bad has just happened to the original
>>Turing machine.
>
>The turing machine says nothing about efficiency.  In fact, a serial tape reader
>is probably just about the worst imagineable architecture.
>
>There are algorithms that are used only on parallel hardware.  You can implement
>the same thing on serial machines, but it would stink, because the fundamental
>speedup comes from the parallel design.

What I mean is that it should be that if you can do it on a computer, you could
do it on a Turing machine, and a Turing machine is one thread.

I'm not saying anything about efficiency either.

>Consider the bitonic batcher sorting algorithm or the sample sorting algorithm.
>They are lame on a serial machine -- you would not want to use them for any
>sorting job.  But for large batches of input, they are among the fastest known
>sorting algorithms on a parallel machine.
>
>If you have a large enough collection of CPU's, you could conceivably sort a
>data set in a single cycle on a dedicated parallel sorting machine.  It would be
>physically impossible to do that on a serial machine.
>
>Here is an analysis of Batcher's sort on a parallel machine:
>SortingCost(N,P) = (a[i,j] C[i] + b[i,j] T j )*L[i]
>
>for var-hypercube C[i]=(log 2 N) and L[i]= N/P
>a[i,j] and b[i,j] are system specific constants.
>
>It is clear that we can reduce the time to as small a value as we like by
>increasing the number of processors.
>
>On a purely serial machine, you cannot achieve the same effect.

I don't see why this should be the case.  It should be like recursion, which can
always be replaced by iteration.

bruce



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