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Subject: Re: manipulating eval to create biggest come back -13 to mate in 8

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 04:21:37 09/30/01

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On September 30, 2001 at 06:58:36, Dieter Buerssner wrote:

>On September 30, 2001 at 05:06:38, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>Yace also finds the Nxg6 mate first, but needs slightly more than 10 minutes.
>
>>Note that it is easy to get bigger evaluation changes
>>
>>here is a simple example
>
>A not so simple example by Blathy, taht most probably was also not easy to find
>... I have seen it first, when Helmut Conrady posted it to the German CSS forum:
>
>[D] 8/8/8/2p5/1pp5/brpp4/qpprpK1P/1nkbn3 w - -
>
>Yace 0.99.56 (I think most/all released versions don't find this, the next
>version probably will):
>
>         1   0.002 -40.10  1t  1.Kxe1 {-3601}
>         6   0.005 -40.10  1.  1.Kxe1 {-3601}
>         9   0.012 -40.09  2t  1.Kxe1 Qa1 {-3601}
>        32   0.016 -40.09  2.  1.Kxe1 Qa1 {-3601}
>        37   0.020 -40.02  3t  1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 {-3601}
>        54   0.025 -40.02  3.  1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 {-3601}
>[...]
>      5191   0.380 -30.18 14.  1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1
>                               6.h8=Q Qa2 7.Qe5 Qa1
>      5215   0.391 -29.36 15++ 1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1
>                               6.h8=Q Qa2 7.Qe5 Qa1 8.Qxc5 Qa2 {-2600}
>      5332   0.415   0.00 15++ 1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1
>                               6.h8=Q Qa2 7.Qe5 Qa1 8.Qh8 {-2680}
>      5718   0.427   0.00 15t  1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2H 3.h5H Qa1H 4.h6H Qa2H
>                               5.h7H Qa1H 6.h8=QH Qa2H 7.Qe5H Qa1H 8.Qh8H Qa2H
>                               9.Qe5H Qa1H 10.Qh8HR {-2680}
>      6749   0.460   0.00 15.  1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1
>                               6.h8=Q Qa2 7.Qe5 Qa1 8.Qh8 Qa2 9.Qe5 Qa1 10.Qh8
>                               {-2680}
>[...]
>   1403321  10.205   0.00 32.  1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1
>                               6.h8=Q Qa2 7.Qh4 Qa1 8.Qh8 {-2680}
>   1783674  12.607  Mat16 33++ 1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h3 Qa2 3.h4 Qa1 4.h5 Qa2 5.h6 Qa1
>                               6.h7 Qa2 7.h8=N Qa1 8.Nf7 Qa2 9.Ne5 Qa1 10.Nd7
>                               Qa2 11.Nxc5 Qa1 12.Na4 Qa2 13.Nb6 Qa1 14.Nxc4
>                               Qa2 15.Na5 Qa1 16.Nxb3# {-2681}
>   1784905  12.636  Mat16 33t  1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h3 Qa2 3.h4 Qa1 4.h5 Qa2 5.h6 Qa1
>                               6.h7 Qa2 7.h8=N Qa1 8.Nf7 Qa2 9.Ne5 Qa1 10.Nd7
>                               Qa2 11.Nxc5 Qa1 12.Na4 Qa2 13.Nb6 Qa1 14.Nxc4
>                               Qa2 15.Na5 Qa1 16.Nxb3# {-2681}
>   1942530  13.523  Mat16 33.  1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h3 Qa2 3.h4 Qa1 4.h5 Qa2 5.h6 Qa1
>                               6.h7 Qa2 7.h8=N Qa1 8.Nf7 Qa2 9.Ne5 Qa1 10.Nd7
>                               Qa2 11.Nxc5 Qa1 12.Na4 Qa2 13.Nb6 Qa1 14.Nxc4
>                               Qa2 15.Na5 Qa1 16.Nxb3# {-2681}
>
>static eval (without Kxe1): -43.9
>
>Regards,
>Dieter

Deep Fritz

New position
8/8/8/2p5/1pp5/brpp4/qpprpK1P/1nkbn3 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Deep Fritz:

1.Kxe1--
  -+  (-40.34)   Depth: 1/1   00:00:00
1.Kxe1--
  -+  (-42.34)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
1.Kxe1 Qa1
  -+  (-42.28)   Depth: 2/3   00:00:00
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4
  -+  (-42.12)   Depth: 3/4   00:00:00
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2
  -+  (-42.06)   Depth: 4/5   00:00:00
1.Kxe1!
  -+  (-41.72)   Depth: 5/6   00:00:00
1.Kxe1--
  -+  (-42.12)   Depth: 6/6   00:00:00
1.Kxe1--
  -+  (-42.12)   Depth: 6/6   00:00:00
1.Kxe1!
  -+  (-41.72)   Depth: 7/7   00:00:00
1.Kxe1!
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 8/8   00:00:00
1.Kxe1--
  -+  (-39.72)   Depth: 9/9   00:00:00
1.Kxe1-- Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7
  -+  (-40.91)   Depth: 9/10   00:00:00
1.Kxe1!
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 10/10   00:00:00
1.Kxe1--
  -+  (-40.09)   Depth: 11/11   00:00:00
1.Kxe1--
  -+  (-40.09)   Depth: 11/11   00:00:00
1.Kxe1!
  -+  (-35.59)   Depth: 12/12   00:00:00  1kN
1.Kxe1! Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  -+  (-28.62)   Depth: 12/13   00:00:00  1kN
1.Kxe1!
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 13/13   00:00:00  1kN
1.Kxe1--
  -+  (-28.62)   Depth: 14/14   00:00:00  2kN
1.Kxe1--
  -+  (-28.62)   Depth: 14/14   00:00:00  2kN
1.Kxe1!
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 15/15   00:00:00  2kN
1.Kxe1--
  -+  (-28.62)   Depth: 16/16   00:00:00  3kN
1.Kxe1--
  -+  (-28.62)   Depth: 16/16   00:00:00  3kN
1.Kxe1!
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 17/17   00:00:00  4kN
1.Kxe1--
  -+  (-28.62)   Depth: 18/18   00:00:00  5kN
1.Kxe1--
  -+  (-28.62)   Depth: 18/18   00:00:00  5kN
1.Kxe1!
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 19/19   00:00:00  6kN
1.Kxe1--
  -+  (-19.47)   Depth: 20/20   00:00:00  9kN
1.Kxe1--
  -+  (-19.47)   Depth: 20/20   00:00:00  9kN
1.Kxe1!
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 21/21   00:00:00  12kN
1.Kxe1--
  -+  (-15.62)   Depth: 22/22   00:00:00  17kN
1.Kxe1--
  -+  (-15.62)   Depth: 22/22   00:00:00  17kN
1.Kxe1!
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 23/23   00:00:00  20kN
1.Kxe1--
  -+  (-15.62)   Depth: 24/24   00:00:00  27kN
1.Kxe1--
  -+  (-15.62)   Depth: 24/24   00:00:00  27kN
1.Kxe1!
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 25/25   00:00:00  32kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 26/26   00:00:00  53kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 27/27   00:00:00  72kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 28/28   00:00:00  105kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 29/29   00:00:00  144kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 30/30   00:00:00  214kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 31/31   00:00:00  289kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 32/32   00:00:00  409kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 33/33   00:00:00  542kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 34/34   00:00:00  766kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 35/35   00:00:01  1005kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 36/36   00:00:01  1371kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 37/37   00:00:01  1775kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 38/38   00:00:02  2425kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 39/39   00:00:03  3117kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 40/40   00:00:03  4144kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 41/41   00:00:04  5290kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 42/42   00:00:06  7021kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 43/43   00:00:08  8877kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 44/44   00:00:10  11481kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 45/45   00:00:13  14423kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 46/46   00:00:16  18549kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 47/47   00:00:20  23001kN

(Blass, Tel-aviv 30.09.2001)

Deep Fritz can see it without null move pruning

New position
8/8/8/2p5/1pp5/brpp4/qpprpK1P/1nkbn3 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Deep Fritz:

1.Kxe1--
  -+  (-40.34)   Depth: 1/1   00:00:00
1.Kxe1--
  -+  (-42.34)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
1.Kxe1 Qa1
  -+  (-42.28)   Depth: 2/3   00:00:00
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4
  -+  (-42.12)   Depth: 3/4   00:00:00
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2
  -+  (-42.06)   Depth: 4/7   00:00:00
1.Kxe1!
  -+  (-41.72)   Depth: 5/6   00:00:00
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1
  -+  (-41.66)   Depth: 6/9   00:00:00
1.Kxe1!
  -+  (-41.34)   Depth: 7/8   00:00:00
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2
  -+  (-41.28)   Depth: 8/12   00:00:00
1.Kxe1!
  -+  (-40.91)   Depth: 9/10   00:00:00  1kN
1.Kxe1!
  -+  (-35.41)   Depth: 10/11   00:00:00  1kN
1.Kxe1! Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q
  -+  (-28.69)   Depth: 10/12   00:00:00  1kN
1.Kxe1--
  -+  (-31.09)   Depth: 11/13   00:00:00  2kN
1.Kxe1--
  -+  (-31.09)   Depth: 11/13   00:00:00  2kN
1.Kxe1!
  -+  (-29.56)   Depth: 12/12   00:00:00  3kN
1.Kxe1--
  -+  (-29.87)   Depth: 13/17   00:00:00  6kN
1.Kxe1--
  -+  (-29.87)   Depth: 13/17   00:00:00  6kN
1.Kxe1!
  -+  (-27.81)   Depth: 14/16   00:00:00  9kN
1.Kxe1--
  -+  (-29.81)   Depth: 15/19   00:00:00  14kN
1.Kxe1--
  -+  (-29.81)   Depth: 15/19   00:00:00  14kN
1.Kxe1!
  -+  (-28.31)   Depth: 16/16   00:00:00  19kN
1.Kxe1! Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 16/19   00:00:00  21kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 17/23   00:00:00  29kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 18/21   00:00:00  43kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 19/25   00:00:00  58kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 20/24   00:00:00  81kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 21/27   00:00:00  107kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 22/26   00:00:00  149kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 23/28   00:00:00  195kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 24/29   00:00:00  268kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 25/30   00:00:00  348kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 26/31   00:00:00  476kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 27/31   00:00:00  614kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 28/33   00:00:01  840kN
1.Kxe1 Qa1 2.h4 Qa2 3.h5 Qa1 4.h6 Qa2 5.h7 Qa1 6.h8Q Qa2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 29/33   00:00:01  1085kN
1.Kxe1!
  +-  (#16)   Depth: 30/35   00:00:01  1395kN

(Blass, Tel-aviv 30.09.2001)

Uri



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