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Subject: Re: New crap statement ? Perpetuum mobile

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 21:36:48 09/30/01

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On September 30, 2001 at 14:47:21, Bruce Moreland wrote:

>On September 29, 2001 at 14:54:03, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On September 29, 2001 at 10:41:37, Miguel A. Ballicora wrote:
>
>>>Super-linear speedups are "probably" impossible but so far I did not see that
>>>they are "provably" impossible. I would settle with "They are believed to be
>>>impossible".
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Miguel
>>
>>
>>They simply _are_ impossible.  Unless you believe in perpetual
>>motion, infinite compression, a fire that will burn forever, etc.
>
>Take a human who can move a 200-pound box, but only by scraping it along the
>ground.  Compute the time it takes him to move 10 such boxes 100 yards.
>
>Assume that two humans can move a 200-pound box more easily.  Can they move a
>200-pound box more than twice as fast as one human?  Would this violate laws
>against perpetual motion?  Of course not.  It is perfectly valid to consider
>working in parallel rather than working serially.  The mechanics of the task
>might change, resulting in much increased efficiency -- they can lift the box
>off the ground.


I think that after you think about this example, you will see the flaw.
Lifting the box off the ground takes _more_ effort.  So the two people are
doing _more_ work in a given period of time than two people pushing two boxes
at the same time.  The ancient Egyptions found that dragging was better than
lifting.  :)



>
>Two workers cooperating to perform a task, do not *have* to go less than or
>equal to the speed of two workers, each of whom does exactly half of a task that
>can be fairly divided in two.
>
>There exists the opportunity for synergy.
>
>The argument that the above violates the prohibition against perpetual motion is
>fallacious.
>
>bruce


Not after you think about it.  If two people work and each of them moves 5
blocks, then they do no more work than the 1 person did moving 10.  But they
did it in twice the time.  If they _lift_ the block _and_ move it, they are
doing _more_ work per unit of time.  They should have moved the blocks
faster one at a time, but they were taking it easy...

 A computer can't do that.



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