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Subject: Re: Nominee Question - For Amir and Bruce and Karsten

Author: Bruce Moreland

Date: 10:29:00 05/23/98

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On May 21, 1998 at 16:44:17, Steven Schwartz wrote:

>Amir, Bruce, and Karsten
>I posted a question for all nominees a couple of days ago.
>The other nominees have responded.
>I think it would be helpful, for comparison purposes, if
>you could answer the question below. Thanks
>- Steve
>
>If you were to rate your tolerance for "off-topic"
>posts in CCC on a scale from 1 to 10, where would
>you place yourself?
>
>1  - Being extremely tolerant of every post except obscenity
>10 - Being extremely INtolerant of anything posted that is not
>     directly related to computer chess
>
>In addition to a number from 1 to 10, you may want to also
>write something to further qualify your numerical value.

I don't like the question since it forces people to give a subjective
and easily mis-stated and mis-understood answer to an important
question.

I think it might be possible to come up with a correct answer to this.
The group as a whole can decide what it will allow and what it will do
if its rules are broken.

But as of now it seems that discretion is left to the moderators, so I
will describe my attitude about this.

I don't like extended off-topic discussions.  This was one of the
problems with r.g.c.c., the discussion would start out on-topic until
someone would use an analogy or illustration or something, then you'd
get fifty posts about that, and that was usually some controversial
point of economics or history or something.

These topics are fine, but there are other places reserved for these
topics.  It is not censorship to ask that these topics be kept out of
here, it is merely an effort to get people to classify their posts so
that people who are interested in A can find out about A by reading the
A group, and people who are interested in B can find out about B by
reading the B group.  If someone is totally hot about B, and thinks that
everyone else should be totally hot about B, they should be discouraged,
strongly if necessary, from continually discussing B in the A group.

The preceding two paragraphs express a viewpoint, but don't say anything
about my level of tolerance for off-topic discussions.

I think that my use of the word "extended" is important.  I don't care
about little drabs of off-topic stuff, but if it gets out of control it
should be stopped.  I think that people should avoid calls for extended
discussion of off-topic subjects, and I think that people should try to
have some sense about which subjects to avoid.

I don't think people should worry about it too much as long as off-topic
stuff doesn't get out of control.  It's not necessary to nip every
little thing in the bud.

Nothing has been said yet about enforcement.

I think that the best form of moderation is self-moderation -- you don't
send the post about one of the topics that will cause problems, you
don't accuse the other guy of being stupid, a cheater, or a thief.

A concrete statement of what is encouraged and discouraged helps, and I
think was almost have that in the FAQ.  Perhaps it could be expanded
upon a bit.

If someone messes up and posts something nasty, I think they should be
asked or told to stop, depending upon what they say and how much
additional trouble they've caused.

If someone is here mainly to cause trouble, they should be prevented
from posting.

bruce



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