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Subject: Re: Guiness Book of world records states..............CHECK THIS OUT!

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 10:39:08 10/02/01

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On October 02, 2001 at 06:04:38, Andreas Stabel wrote:

>On October 01, 2001 at 18:21:09, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On October 01, 2001 at 18:11:10, robert flesher wrote:
>>
>>>It has been calculated that the four opening moves can be made in 197,299 ways,
>>>leading to some 72,000 different positions. The approximate numbers of different
>>>games possible is 25x10 to the power of 116. a number astronomically higher that
>>>the number of atmos in the observable universe. This Quote was directly taken
>>>from Guiness book of world records 1976 edition. WOW and this is why chess is so
>>>damn hard. :)
>>
>>Unfortunately, they don't know what they are talking about.
>>There are 197,281 different ways to make the 4 opening moves.
>>There are 99,270 distinct positions at ply 4 (including e.p vulnerability).
>>The other numbers are equally suspect.
>>This has some interesting information:
>>http://www.clark.net/pub/pribut/chessfaq.html
>>Though the actual length of the longest possible game may be open to a bit of
>>debate.  I have seen slightly different figures given elsewhere.
>
>My program has generated the following table - which does not seem to match
>your numbers very well.
>
>Table from opening position:
>   |               | Unique nodes  | Unique nodes II Unique nodes  | Factor |
>Ply| Total # nodes | ep = pawn two | ep = oppositeII ep = Only if  | prev.  |
>   |               |               | pawn can hit II ep is legal   | row    |
>---+---------------+---------------+--------------II---------------+--------|
> 0 |             1 |             1 |            1 II             1 |        |
> 1 |            21 |            21 |           21 II            21 |  21.00 |
> 2 |           421 |           421 |          421 II           421 |  20.05 |
> 3 |          9323 |          8023 |         5783 II          5783 |  13.74 |
> 4 |        206604 |        109262 |        77796 II         77796 |  13.45 |
> 5 |       5072213 |       1351950 |       898812 II        898812 |  11.55 |
> 6 |     124132537 |      15334851 |     10281864 II      10281862 |  11.44 |
> 7 |    3320034397 |     160373323 |    106193912 II     106193643 |  10.33 |
> 8 |   88319013353 |               |              II               |        |
> 9 | 2527849247520 |               |              II               |        |

It appears that the only thing that does not match is the unique positions.
Here is my list of uniqe epd positions after 4 ply:
ftp://cap.connx.com/pub/chess-engines/new-approach/r4.unq.bz2

Perhaps you could be so kind as to compare with what you generate and tell me
where I went off.  Be advised that some of the positions have "useless" e.p.
markers, but that is demanded by the PGN standard.



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