Author: stuart taylor
Date: 01:14:31 10/03/01
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On October 03, 2001 at 02:15:29, Helmut Conrady wrote: >On October 02, 2001 at 15:30:45, stuart taylor wrote: > >>On October 02, 2001 at 04:46:09, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On October 02, 2001 at 04:38:33, Jouni Uski wrote: >>> >>>>On October 02, 2001 at 03:25:00, Harald Faber wrote: >>>> >>>>>On October 02, 2001 at 03:01:20, Jouni Uski wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>[Event "Junior7-MCP8"] >>>>>>[Site "SSDF"] >>>>>>[Date "2001.??.??"] >>>>>>[Round "29"] >>>>>>[White "COMP Junior 7 AMD K6-2 450"] >>>>>>[Black "COMP MCP8 AMD K6-2 450"] >>>>>>[Result "1-0"] >>>>>>[ECO "B17"] >>>>>>[PlyCount "15"] >>>>>>[EventDate "2001.08.20"] >>>>>> >>>>>>1. e4 c6 2. Nc3 d5 3. d4 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Nd7 5. Bd3 Ngf6 6. Ng5 h6 7. Ne6 fxe6 8. >>>>>>Bg6# >>>>>> >>>>>>Is there book hole in MCP8 or cannot it see mate in 1 ???!!! >>>>>> >>>>>>Jouni >>>>> >>>>>I have no idea. I checked it now. There must have been s.th. wrong in the >>>>>opening book setup. Tournament moves are 6...e7-e6 (d) and 6...Nd7-b6 (e) so >>>>>those moves will be played preferably. The other book moves, c6-c5, Qd8-b6, >>>>>h7-h6, Qd8-c7, e7-e5 and g7-g6 have no flag for tournament move. >>>>> >>>>>And after 7.Ne6 MCP starts to calculate and certainly does not play that ugly >>>>>fxe6??. After 5 minutes on my K7-600 best move is Qa5 with -0.09/11. >>>>> >>>>>I suspect setup problem or autoplayer-influence. >>>>>This leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. How many other games have been played >>>>>with a wrong setup? I know that your example is a very tough one, but who can >>>>>tell that the source for this did not harm some other programs in some other >>>>>games? >>>> >>>>But I think/hope, that in 100s of games the effect of some erroneous ones is >>>>unimportant! And probably effecting all engines as well... >>>> >>>>Jouni >>> >>>Maybe it effects Dos programs more than windows programs. >>>I do not know. >>> >>>I remember that Ed found also problems with Rebel and Mchess. >>> >>>Uri >> >>But all such happenings MUST be searched out and replayed, if that is possible. >>S.Taylor > >That´s exactly the problem. Who shall decide, which games have to be replayed >and which not? > >Helmut Any responsible chess expert. Someone who is an expert at chess (higher elo the better) can know clearly (if he is an experienced computer program consumer) if something a computer did was obviously not from the correct use of the programs, in which case it should be replayed. S.Taylor
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