Author: Mark Young
Date: 04:42:12 10/03/01
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On October 03, 2001 at 06:52:54, Uri Blass wrote: >On October 03, 2001 at 06:23:09, Thoralf Karlsson wrote: > >> THE SSDF RATING LIST 2001-10-02 81185 games played by 226 computers >> Rating + - Games Won Oppo >> ------ --- --- ----- --- ---- >> 1 Deep Fritz 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2726 55 -51 182 65% 2618 >> 2 Gambit Tiger 2.0 256MB Athlon 1200 2720 50 -48 205 59% 2653 >> 3 Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 256MB Athlon 1200 2703 49 -46 230 65% 2592 >> 4 Shredder 5.32 256MB Athlon 1200 2699 50 -47 222 67% 2577 >> 5 Junior 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200 2679 61 -59 140 59% 2615 >> 6 Deep Fritz 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2654 27 -26 731 63% 2560 >> 7 Gandalf 4.32h 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2653 68 -63 119 61% 2574 >> 8 Gambit Tiger 2.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2640 30 -29 592 66% 2521 >> 9 Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2632 32 -30 537 66% 2518 >> 10 Junior 7.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2624 45 -42 271 65% 2518 >> 11 Fritz 6.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2623 23 -23 968 64% 2521 >> 12 Shredder 5.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2601 24 -23 928 63% 2509 >> 13 Shredder 5.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2600 36 -34 409 61% 2517 >> 14 Junior 6.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2596 20 -19 1305 61% 2514 >> 15 Chess Tiger 12.0 DOS 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2582 24 -24 857 58% 2525 >> 16 Shredder 4.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2566 23 -23 944 59% 2505 >> 17 Fritz 5.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2552 25 -25 804 58% 2497 >> 18 Nimzo 7.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2551 23 -23 937 57% 2498 >> 19 Nimzo 8.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2549 26 -26 715 54% 2521 >> 20 Junior 5.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2536 24 -24 835 56% 2491 >> 21 Gandalf 4.32f 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2532 28 -28 627 51% 2525 >> 22 Hiarcs 7.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2522 25 -24 809 52% 2506 >> 22 Hiarcs 7.01 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2522 34 -34 419 46% 2550 >> 24 SOS 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2519 21 -21 1130 50% 2519 >> 24 Rebel Century 3.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2519 30 -30 546 49% 2525 >> 26 Chessmaster 8000 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2516 44 -45 251 45% 2549 >> 27 Gandalf 4.32h 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2511 41 -41 286 52% 2496 >> 28 Goliath Light 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2502 27 -27 668 44% 2545 >> 29 Nimzo 99 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2490 24 -24 867 48% 2504 >> 30 Crafty 17.07/CB 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2488 24 -24 857 47% 2506 >> 31 Fritz 5.32 64MB P200 MMX 2478 17 -17 1679 50% 2476 >> 32 Genius 6.5 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2475 29 -29 565 48% 2488 >> 33 Chessmaster 6000 64MB P200 MMX 2474 61 -53 184 76% 2278 >> 33 MChess Pro 8.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2474 28 -28 629 42% 2532 >> 35 Hiarcs 7.32 64MB P200 MMX 2469 22 -22 1042 53% 2448 >> 36 Nimzo 99 64MB P200 MMX 2447 23 -23 885 51% 2440 >> 37 Junior 5.0 64MB P200 MMX 2432 18 -19 1429 45% 2469 >> 38 Rebel 9.0 47MB P200 MMX 2421 24 -23 900 61% 2342 >> 39 Shredder 3.0 64MB P200 MMX 2417 20 -20 1190 49% 2424 >> 40 Zarkov 5.0 64MB P200 MMX 2409 25 -26 749 42% 2469 >> 41 Shredder 2.0 58MB P200 MMX 2402 19 -19 1314 44% 2441 >> 42 Genius 5.0 DOS 46MB P200 MMX 2391 20 -20 1197 49% 2395 >> 42 MChess Pro 8.0 64MB P200 MMX 2391 27 -27 681 53% 2367 >> 44 Gandalf 3.0 64MB P200 MMX 2365 41 -40 307 59% 2297 >> 45 WChess2000 64MB P200 MMX 2355 31 -32 522 36% 2457 >> 46 R30 v. 2.5 2274 41 -38 343 69% 2135 >> 47 Meph Genius 68 030 33 MHz 2198 45 -44 248 55% 2161 >> 48 Berlin Pro 68 020 24 MHz 2125 24 -24 850 58% 2071 >> 49 Atlanta SH7000 20 MHz 2090 29 -28 647 69% 1949 >> 50 Sapphire II 2012 35 -33 444 63% 1916 >> >> >> 1 Deep Fritz 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz, 2726 >>GT2.0 A1200 21.5-18.5 CT14.0 A1200 20-20 Junior6 K6450 30-12 >>Nimzo 8 K6450 29.5-10.5 Nimzo98 P200X 17-3 >> >> 2 Gambit Tiger 2.0 256MB Athlon 1200, 2720 >>DpFritz A1200 18.5-21.5 CT14.0 A1200 21-19 Shre532 A1200 20.5-19.5 >>Junior7 A1200 24.5-16.5 Fritz532 P200 37-7 >> >> 3 Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 256MB Athlon 1200, 2703 >>DpFritz A1200 20-20 GT2.0 A1200 19-21 Nimzo 8 K6450 32.5-15.5 >>Hiar732 K6450 37.5-12.5 SOS K6-2 450 30-10 Nimzo98 P200X 11-1 >> >> 4 Shredder 5.32 256MB Athlon 1200, 2699 >>GT2.0 A1200 19.5-20.5 CT14 CB K6450 27.5-12.5 Ch.Ti12 K6450 23.5-18.5 >>Junior5 K6450 28.5-11.5 Nimzo99 K6450 32-8 Nimzo98 P200X 17-3 >> >> 5 Junior 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200, 2679 >>GT2.0 A1200 16.5-24.5 Gan432h A1200 21-11 Ch.Ti12 K6450 25-17 >>Junior5 K6450 3-2 Nimzo98 P200X 17-3 >> >> 7 Gandalf 4.32h 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz, 2653 >>Junior7 A1200 11-21 Shre532 K6450 5-2 Ch.Ti12 K6450 24-16 >>Fritz532 P200 32.5-7.5 >> >> 10 Junior 7.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz, 2624 >>DpFritz K6450 21.5-20.5 GambTig K6450 19-21 Goliath K6450 23.5-16.5 >>Fritz532 P200 28.5-13.5 MCP8 K6-2 450 30.5-9.5 Junior5 P200X 17.5-7.5 >>Shre3 P200MMX 34.5-7.5 >> >> 13 Shredder 5.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz, 2600 >>DpFritz K6450 15.5-26.5 Gan432h A1200 2-5 GambTig K6450 17-23 >>Junior6 K6450 25.5-30.5 Nimzo 8 K6450 17.5-17.5 Nimzo99 K6450 1-0 >>Fritz532 P200 26-14 Hiar732 P200X 31.5-12.5 Junior5 P200X 34-8 >>Nimzo98 P200X 31.5-8.5 Shre3 P200MMX 33-9 Shred 2 P200X 17-3 >> >> 27 Gandalf 4.32h 128MB K6-2 450 MHz, 2511 >>GambTig K6450 12-28 Nimzo 8 K6450 17-25 SOS K6-2 450 20.5-19.5 >>Fritz532 P200 20.5-19.5 MCP8 K6-2 450 14-9 Junior5 P200X 22.5-16.5 >>Shre3 P200MMX 28.5-13.5 Shred 2 P200X 14-6 >> >> >> >>Until 1998 the SSDF rating list came out rather >>regularly, about every 6-7 weeks. During the recent >>years the time interval has increased to ten weeks >>in average. The present list now appears more than >>16 weeks after the former one... Where will this end? >> >>Although it might seem so, we have no intention to >>cancel the publication of the SSDF rating list! The >>reason for the present delay is our ongoing shift of >>hardware. We wanted to include six of the strongest >>programs on the faster hardware on the first occasion. >>And this takes time, especially since our capacity is >>split between faster and slower hardware. >> >>Since June 11, we have played 2143 new tournament games. >>What conclusions can be drawn from these games? The strength >>of the new programs doesn't differ much from their pre- >>decessors, unfortunately. But new hardware continues to >>give significant increases in their SSDF ratings! It >>could be that some programs earn clearly more than others >>on faster hardware. And Deep Fritz is still on the top of >>the list! >> >>Let's first look at the new programs on K6-2 450. Junior 7.0 >>K6-2 450 MHz has a rating of 2624 after 271 games, which is >>28 points more than Junior 6.0 has. More games will show if >>this is a significant increase or not. We have played 409 >>games with Shredder 5.32 K6-2, and it's present rating is >>2600. As can be seen it has practically speaking the same >>rating as Shredder 5.0, only one point differs. The result >>for Gandalf 4.32h K6-2 450 MHz is 21 points less than what >>the predecessor 4.32f has. >> >>Among the older programs on K6-2 450 MHz, there are some >>changes worth mentioning. Chessmaster 8000 has received >>14 more points, Gambit Tiger 2.0 has gone down 10 points >>and Nimzo 8.0 K6-2 is seven points up. >> >>Athlon 1200 MHz with 256MB RAM is the new hardware level >>on the SSDF rating list. The average rating increase is >>so far 84 points! Junior 7.0 has earned the least, with only >>55 points. Shredder 5.32 is 99 points up and Gandalf 4.32h >>has 142 points more!! OK, we have only played 119 games >>with Steen Suurballes program, so much could change with >>more games. But since the speed gain for Gandalf 4.32h is >>larger than for other programs, it might well be that the >>trend is true. >> >>The main difference between Athlon 1200 and K6-2 450 comes >>from the above mentioned. On Athlon Shredder 5.32 is higher >>placed than Junior 7.0, and Gandalf 4.32h is much closer to >>the top of the list. Deep Fritz is leading on both lists, >>closely followed by the two Tiger-versions. >> >>Next list will probably appear in November. Hopefully >>Fritz 7.0 will be included on that list. >> >>Thoralf Karlsson > >The list support mark young's claim that Gambittiger earns more from fast >hardware relative to tiger14(80>71) but unfortunately there are not enough games >to see significant difference when there is a possible error of 50 elo in the >rating if we want 95% confidence. > >We probably need 20,000 games of both programs in order to get possible error in >rating of 5 elo and if we continue to get similiar difference of 9 elo in the >improevement between Gambit2 and Tiger14 then it may be a convincing evidence >that Mark young is right. > >Here is the improvement in rating. >It may be interesting to see also a list of the improvement in speed because I >know that the 142 for gandalf is explained(at least part of it) by bigger speed >improvement from the A1200 Gandalf, and Junior 7 at the top and bottom of the list also are the two programs with the fewest games played by far. I would expect to see Gandalf drop down some and Junior 7 to jump up a bit on this list. Junior 7 - 55 point jump due to hardware seems very low. > >1)Gandalf4.32h 2653-2511=142 >2)Shredder5.32 2699-2600=99 >3)Gambittiger 2720-2640=80 >4)Deep Fritz 2726-2654=72 >5)Tiger14 2703-2632=71 >6)Junior7 2679-2624=55 > >Uri
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