Author: Thorsten Czub
Date: 02:27:31 10/06/01
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On October 06, 2001 at 04:57:30, Steve Maughan wrote: >Chaps, > >From my innocent 'what happened in the PDA tournament' there seems to have been >a few 'flame' type responses in the thread. Let's cool down a little!! I think >everyone who posted is interested in PDA chess but from different angles. i am interested. first i thought these pda's are toys. but christophe convinced me. i tried it out and i like those machines, no matter if my pc is much faster, my pc is loud, difficult to transport. its expensive and consumes much power. even a notebook is big, loud and needs much power. but a pda, you can put it into your pocket, you have in with you everywhere. and it only needs 2 batteries. thats all. it can play chess. wow. it can transmit the games via irda to my laptop. it can even use the cellphone/mobile to download emails. and i get rid of bill gates. it automatically shuts down the machine, and when i press the ON-button it instantly continues consideration where it was before. no reason to boot, to wait. its marvellous. the question is: how strong is such a cheap machine. in germany the m100 gets sold arround 219-249,- DM in the moment. so for the price of the ipaq i can buy 3-5 pda's. i can overclock the pda without any problems. and it runs IMO stronger than my old vancouver 68020 from 1991-92. > For >myself, and I suspect Ian, we're just fans of the platform. My frustration, and >maybe Ian's, comes from not being able to play the programs against each other ?!?!?!?!? i don't understand. its an easy job. you can do this while having breakfast. take them on the table and let them play against each other. whats the problem? >(I don't have two PocketPCs or two Palms) so I don't really know the real >strength differences. i have 3 in the moment. and i do have many dedicated chess computers . and i let them play against each other. and: the pda is better. > So a tournament like this is of real interest. right. From >Christophe point of view he's created a great program but I guess he's sensitive >to being accused of being too commercial - well I don't blame him - it's his >livelihood - I'd be as commercial as hell if I were him. Then there is Thorston >who organised the tournament - we do appreciate this Thorston. It's not his >fault that Genius didn't want to play - that was not public knowledge at the >time - a big thanks to him!! i have to respect richards will. >So hopefully no hard feeling all round - and long live PDA chess! > >Regards, > >Steve i have attached some games of my pda-machine that maybe gives you insight... also today you will see the pda-tournament published. [Event "40/120 game"] [Site "palm100"] [Date "2001.08.17"] [Round "1"] [White "Vancouver 68020"] [Black "Chess Tiger14.5 palm"] [Result "0-1"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. c3 Nf6 5. d3 d6 6. a4 a6 7. O-O a5 8. Bg5 h6 9. Bh4 Bb6 10. Nbd2 O-O 11. Qb3 g5 12. Bg3 Nh5 13. Kh1 Qf6 14. h3 Kh7 15. Bh2 Nf4 16. Bxf4 gxf4 17. Bd5 Qg7 18. Ne1 Ne7 19. Bc4 Bd7 20. Ndf3 Bc6 21. Nd2 Be8 22. Nef3 Rg8 23. Ne1 Qg6 24. Ndf3 Rg7 25. d4 exd4 26. cxd4 Nc6 27. Bd3 Nb4 28. Nh4 Qg5 29. Nef3 Qh5 30. Nf5 Rg8 31. Ne7 Rg7 32. e5+ Kh8 33. Nf5 Rg6 34. Be4 d5 35. Bd3 Bd7 36. N5h4 Rg7 37. Qc3 c6 38. Kh2 Rag8 39. Rg1 Bd8 40. g3 Nxd3 41. Qxd3 f5 42. Rac1 Be6 43. b3 Bg5 44. Rc2 fxg3+ 45. fxg3 Bxh4 46. gxh4 Rxg1 47. Nxg1 Qxh4 48. Qc3 Qg5 49. Qe1 Qf4+ 50. Kh1 Qxd4 51. Re2 f4 0-1 [Event "40/120 game"] [Site "palm100"] [Date "2001.08.19"] [Round "2"] [White "Chess Tiger14.5 palm"] [Black "Vancouver 68020"] [Result "0-1"] 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 dxc4 5. a4 Bg4 6. h3 Bxf3 7. exf3 Nbd7 8. Bxc4 Nb6 9. Bb3 e6 10. a5 Nbd5 11. O-O Bb4 12. Nxd5 Nxd5 13. a6 b6 14. Qc2 Rc8 15. Qe4 O-O 16. Be3 Qf6 17. Bc2 g6 18. Bh6 Rfd8 19. f4 Rd7 20. Rfc1 Bd2 21. Bg5 Bxc1 22. Bxf6 Bxb2 23. Ra4 Nxf6 24. Qf3 Bxd4 25. Rc4 c5 26. Ba4 Rd5 27. Qe2 Rdd8 28. Qf3 Nd5 29. Bb5 Nc7 30. Bc6 Rd6 31. Ba4 Rb8 32. Qa3 Rbd8 33. Qf3 Nxa6 34. Qb7 Nb4 35. Qxa7 Nd3 36. g3 Bxf2+ 37. Kg2 Nb2 38. Rc2 Bd4 39. Bb5 Nd1 40. Kf3 Nc3 41. Rb2 c4 42. Kg4 Nxb5 43. Rxb5 c3 44. Qc7 f5+ 45. Kf3 Bf6 46. Re5 Bxe5 47. fxe5 0-1 [Event "40/120 game"] [Site "palm100"] [Date "2001.08.20"] [Round "3"] [White "Vancouver68020"] [Black "Chess Tiger14.5 palm"] [Result "1-0"] 1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. c4 e6 4. Bg5 Be7 5. Nc3 O-O 6. e3 h6 7. Bxf6 Bxf6 8. Rc1 c6 9. Bd3 Nd7 10. O-O dxc4 11. Bxc4 e5 12. Ne4 exd4 13. Nxf6+ Qxf6 14. Qxd4 Qxd4 15. Nxd4 Ne5 16. Bb3 Bd7 17. Rfd1 Rad8 18. Rc5 Rfe8 19. Ra5 a6 20. Rc5 Rc8 21. Ne2 Rcd8 22. Ng3 b6 23. Rcc1 Kf8 24. Rd6 Ke7 25. Rcd1 Be6 26. Bxe6 fxe6 27. Rxd8 Rxd8 28. Rxd8 Kxd8 29. b3 Nd3 30. Ne2 g5 31. g4 Kd7 32. Kg2 Kd6 33. f4 c5 34. Kg3 b5 35. fxg5 hxg5 36. h4 gxh4+ 37. Kxh4 Nb4 38. g5 Nxa2 39. g6 Ke7 40. Kg5 Nb4 41. Nc3 c4 42. Kh6 Nc6 43. bxc4 b4 44. g7 Kf7 45. Kh7 Ne7 46. Na4 b3 47. c5 Ke8 48. g8=Q+ Nxg8 49. Kxg8 Ke7 50. e4 e5 51. Kg7 a5 1-0 [Event "40/120"] [Site "palm100"] [Date "2001.08.28"] [Round "4"] [White "Chess Tiger14.5 palm"] [Black "Vancouver68020"] [Result "0-1"] 1. e4 d6 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nc3 g6 4. f4 Bg7 5. Nf3 O-O 6. Bd3 Nc6 7. O-O e5 8. fxe5 dxe5 9. d5 Nd4 10. Bg5 h6 11. Bd2 Bg4 12. Qc1 Nxf3+ 13. gxf3 Bh3 14. Rf2 Kh7 15. Bf1 Bxf1 16. Qxf1 c6 17. dxc6 bxc6 18. Be3 Qc7 19. Rg2 Rfd8 20. Qc4 Bf8 21. a3 Rd7 22. Kf2 Rb8 23. Qa2 c5 24. b3 c4 25. bxc4 Bc5 26. Re1 Bxe3+ 27. Rxe3 Qc5 28. Nd5 Nxd5 29. cxd5 Rdb7 30. d6 Qxd6 31. Rd3 Qc7 32. Ke2 Kg7 33. Qd5 Qxc2+ 34. Rd2 0-1 [Event "40/120"] [Site "palm100"] [Date "2001.09.02"] [Round "1"] [White "Diamond2"] [Black "Chess Tiger14.5 palm"] [Result "1-0"] 1. d4 d5 2. c4 dxc4 3. e4 e5 4. Nf3 exd4 5. Bxc4 Nc6 6. O-O a6 7. Qb3 Qd7 8. Bd5 Bc5 9. Rd1 Nf6 10. Qc4 b6 11. b4 Nxd5 12. bxc5 Nf6 13. cxb6 cxb6 14. Nxd4 Nxd4 15. Rxd4 Qe6 16. Nd2 O-O 17. Ba3 Re8 18. Qc7 b5 19. Bb2 Bd7 20. Rd6 Rec8 21. Qb6 Qe7 22. Bxf6 gxf6 23. a4 bxa4 24. Rd1 a3 25. Rxf6 a2 26. Rd6 Rab8 27. Qd4 Ba4 28. Rf1 a5 29. e5 Rb4 30. Qd5 Bb5 31. Rd1 Rb2 32. Ne4 Ba4 33. Nf6+ Kf8 34. Qd4 Bxd1 35. Qe3 Qxe5 36. Qxe5 Rb5 37. Nxh7+ Kg8 38. Nf6+ Kf8 39. Nd7+ Kg8 40. Qg3+ Kh7 41. Nf6+ Kh8 42. Qh3+ Kg7 43. Qh7+ Kf8 44. Rd7 a1=Q 45. Qxf7# 1-0 [Event "40/120"] [Site "palm100"] [Date "2001.09.05"] [Round "2"] [White "Gambit Tiger14.6 palm"] [Black "Diamond2"] [Result "1-0"] 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. Qf3 Be7 8. Bd3 Nbd7 9. O-O Ne5 10. Qh3 Qb6 11. Nb3 O-O 12. Be2 Bd7 13. Qg3 Rfc8 14. Bh6 Bf8 15. Be3 Qc7 16. f4 Nc4 17. Bxc4 Qxc4 18. Bd4 Be7 19. Rad1 Be8 20. Rd3 a5 21. e5 dxe5 22. fxe5 Nd7 23. a4 Qb4 24. Qf3 Nc5 25. Bxc5 Bxc5+ 26. Kh1 Be7 27. Rd4 Qb6 28. Rg4 Rd8 29. Qg3 Bf8 30. Ne4 Kh8 31. Nf6 Qc7 32. Nxh7 Kxh7 33. Rh4+ Kg8 34. Qh3 f5 35. exf6 Qf4 36. Rh8+ Kf7 37. Qh5+ Kxf6 38. Rxf4+ 1-0 [Event "40/120"] [Site "palm100"] [Date "2001.09.07"] [Round "5"] [White "Vancouver68020"] [Black "Chess Tiger14.6 palm"] [Result "1/2-1/2"] 1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. exd5 cxd5 4. c4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Qb3 e6 7. cxd5 Nxd5 8. Bb5+ Nc6 9. Nf3 Bg7 10. Ne5 Nde7 11. Qa4 O-O 12. Bxc6 Nxc6 13. Nxc6 bxc6 14. Be3 Qb6 15. O-O-O Rb8 16. Qa3 Qa6 17. Qxa6 Bxa6 18. Ne4 Rfd8 19. Rhg1 Rb4 20. a3 Rbb8 21. Bf4 Rb5 22. Be3 Rh5 23. Rh1 Bc4 24. Nc5 Rhd5 25. b3 Bb5 26. Nb7 Rb8 27. Nc5 Be2 28. Rd2 Bh5 29. h3 g5 30. Kb1 a5 31. Ka2 Rbd8 32. Nb7 Ra8 33. Nc5 h6 34. h4 g4 35. Rc1 Bg6 36. Na4 Rdd8 37. g3 Be4 38. Nc5 Bd5 39. Ka1 Bf3 40. Ka2 Kh7 41. Ka1 Rab8 42. Ka2 Rb5 43. Rd3 Rd5 44. Rd2 Rd6 45. Rd3 Kg6 46. Rcc3 Kf5 47. h5 Rd5 48. Rc1 Rd8 49. Rd2 Bd5 50. Rb2 Rdb8 51. a4 Rb4 52. Bf4 Bxd4 53. Bxb8 Bxb2 54. Kxb2 Rxb8 55. Re1 Rb4 56. Kc3 Kg5 57. Re2 Kxh5 58. Rd2 Kg5 59. Rd3 e5 60. Re3 e4 61. Kc2 f5 62. Rc3 f4 1/2-1/2 [Event "40/120"] [Site "palm100"] [Date "2001.09.22"] [Round "6"] [White "Chess Tiger14.6 palm"] [Black "Vancouver68020"] [Result "1-0"] 1. e4 d6 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nc3 g6 4. f4 Bg7 5. Nf3 c5 6. Bb5+ Bd7 7. Bxd7+ Qxd7 8. dxc5 dxc5 9. O-O O-O 10. e5 Ng4 11. h3 Nh6 12. Be3 Rc8 13. g4 Qc6 14. Qd5 e6 15. Qxc6 Nxc6 16. Rad1 b6 17. Rd7 Nb4 18. Rf2 Rd8 19. Rc7 a6 20. Ng5 Rab8 21. a3 Nd5 22. Nxd5 exd5 23. Rd2 d4 24. Bf2 Rbc8 25. Ra7 Ra8 26. Rxa8 Rxa8 27. Ne4 Rb8 28. Bh4 Bf8 29. c3 dxc3 30. Nxc3 c4 31. Ne4 Kg7 32. Rd7 Re8 33. Bf6+ Kg8 34. Bg5 Bg7 35. Nf6+ Bxf6 36. exf6 Nxg4 37. hxg4 h5 38. f5 gxf5 39. gxh5 Re1+ 40. Kf2 Rh1 41. Rd8+ Kh7 42. Rf8 Rxh5 43. Rxf7+ Kh8 44. Bf4 Rh4 45. Rf8+ Kh7 46. Be5 Re4 47. Rh8+ Kg6 48. Rg8+ Kf7 49. Rg7+ 1-0 >PS Christophe - will be see PocketPC Tiger by Chrtistmas - can't wait?
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