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Subject: Re: This would be a fair match with a very close score after 30 games.

Author: Jorge Pichard

Date: 14:39:56 10/07/01

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On October 07, 2001 at 15:56:07, Uri Blass wrote:

>On October 07, 2001 at 15:33:28, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>
>>On October 07, 2001 at 14:41:15, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On October 07, 2001 at 14:21:30, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 07, 2001 at 10:30:27, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On October 07, 2001 at 10:19:37, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On October 07, 2001 at 08:10:15, stuart taylor wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Also, you can't get anywhere by playing against the SAME program but at
>>>>>>>different speeds. The slower one will NEVER win, because the one on fast speed
>>>>>>>knows everything that the one on Palm knows, and at a fraction of the time.
>>>>>>>  But you MIGHT be a bit luckier if you played Palm Tiger vs. Deep Fritz, or
>>>>>>>Deep Junior.
>>>>>>>S.Taylor
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A fair match could only be accomplished by pairing Chess Tiger on a Palm III xe
>>>>>>16 MHz with 8 MB memory Versus Fritz 6e on a Pentium 90 MHz.  Now that could be
>>>>>>an interesting match. A match of 30 games at 20 Min per side.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Pichard.
>>>>>
>>>>>palm tiger has no chance against p90
>>>>>
>>>>>I remember that the pocket PC is 10 times faster than the palm
>>>>>The pocket PC is slower than p90 so p90 is more than 10 times faster than the
>>>>>palm.
>>>>>
>>>>>Uri
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You are right Uri a P90 is too powerful for a mere Palm III xe, in that case if
>>>>somebody has an old Pentium 200 MHz with Fritz 6e and match it against an iPaq
>>>>of 206 MHz with Chess Tiger 14.6, then we will have an even match.
>>>
>>>No
>>>
>>>Even here is is not a fair match and the MHZ is misleading.
>>>
>>>I compared the speed of my p200MMX(shredder5.32) with the speed of shredder on
>>>the pocket PC (pocket Fritz is the name of shredder on the pocket PC) and I
>>>found that my p200 is at least 5 times faster.
>>>
>>>I have no pocket PC and the comparison was based on analysis that was posted
>>>here with the pocket PC.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>Sorry Uri, but I'am like St. Thomas I would like to see somebody actually test
>>the iPaq H3670 against a P200MMX.
>
>I already did it in comparing the time the ipaq needed to solve some test
>positions with the time that my p200 needed to do it.
>
>my p200 is at least 5 times faster based on my test.
>I read that for Genius it is only 4 times faster.
>
> Otherwise how can people claim that a mere
>>Palm III xe with only 16 MHz 8 MB memory can produce a 2200 Elo Using Chess
>>Tiger 14.6.
>
>I think that I guessed 2100-2200 and not 2200.
>
> Whereas the iPaq h3670 is almost 10 times faster, then we should be
>>able to reach at least a 2460 Elo.
>
>
>I believe that the top programs of today can get 2460 on 486 hardware and my
>impression is that the pocket pc is at the same speed as 486.
>
>Fritz3 already got an IM  norm on p90 some years ago.
>p90 is faster than 486 but the top programs of today are better than Fritz3.
>
>Uri

You are right again that a iPaq h3670 is almost equal to a 486  running at 100
MHz or equal to a p75 and by comparing fritz3 which got an IM on a p90 some
years ago, but remember that the iPaq will also be using the latest and best
software which could not be compared to fritz3.

Pichard.



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