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Subject: Re: WCSAC Tactical Suite: Some results. (Complete)

Author: Slater Wold

Date: 16:19:13 10/09/01

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On October 09, 2001 at 11:24:39, Miguel A. Ballicora wrote:

>On October 09, 2001 at 07:49:17, Slater Wold wrote:
>
>Thanks Slate.
>
>>1q2kb1r/1r1n1ppp/2Qpp3/8/N7/8/1PP2PPP/R1BR2K1 w - - acd 17; acn 1326517364; acs
>>3606; bm Nc5; ce 344; id wcsac0055; pv Nc5 Rc7 Nxd7 Rxc6 Nxb8 Rxc2 b4 Rc8 Na6
>>Be7 b5 Bf6 Rb1 Ke7 b6 Rhd8;
>
>I remembered this position was a Smyslov game and I was right. Last night
>I checked the "My best games" book and it was there. Smyslov-Kottnauer.
>Black did not play Rc7 (played dxc5) and lost quickly. The pv is very convincing
>and it does not look there is an alternative; so, this position stands.

Agreed.

>
>>rrq1k3/2p2p2/3pb1p1/3N2Pp/p1PpPR2/P2P3P/1P6/K2Q1R2 w q - acd 18; acn 417073342;
>>acs 3603; bm Rxf7; ce 398; id wcsac0145; pv Rxf7 Bxf7 Qf3 Be6 Qf8+ Kd7 Qg7+ Kc6
>>Ne7+ Kb7 Nxc8 Rxc8 h4 Rg8 Qxd4 Kc6 Rf6 Kd7 c5 Ra5 c6+ Ke7 Kb1;
>
>>8/3qNrpk/1bpnRpNp/pp1p1P2/3P2P1/P1P4P/1P2Q1K1/8 w - - acd 16; acn 548239247; acs
>>3603; bm Nxd5; ce 325; id wcsac0216; pv Nxd5 cxd5 Rxd6 Qxd6 Qe8 Qd8 Qxf7 Qg8
>>Qxg8+ Kxg8 Ne7+ Kf7 Nxd5 Bd8 Kf3 Ke8 Ke4 Kd7 h4 Kd6;
>
>Nxd5 is obviously pretty good.
>However, I have the feeling that there are alternatives (cooks) in this
>position. My program Gaviota did not solve it in a long time, so I let it
>run overnight in this position and sticks to 1.g5 with a high score >2.0
>pv was something like 1.g5 fxg5 2.Qd3 Ne4 3.Ne5 and White ended up the exchange
>and a good position.
>
>Can you confirm this? the question is white plays 1.g5, can black find
>something to save the game?

Nope.  After g5:

W,S - Deep Junior 7
8/3qNrpk/1bpnRpNp/pp1p1PP1/3P4/P1P4P/1P2Q1K1/8 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Deep Junior 7:

1...hxg5 2.Qh5#
  +-  (#2)   Depth: 3   00:00:01
1...a4 2.gxh6 Kxh6
  +-  (1.58)   Depth: 3   00:00:01  1kN
1...fxg5 2.Qe5 Ne4 3.Nxc6
  ±  (0.82)   Depth: 3   00:00:01  2kN
1...fxg5 2.Qe5 Ne4 3.Nxc6
  ±  (0.82)   Depth: 3   00:00:01  2kN
1...fxg5!
  ²  (0.52)   Depth: 6   00:00:01  20kN
1...fxg5! 2.a4 Nxf5 3.Nxc6 bxa4 4.Kh1
  ²  (0.37)   Depth: 6   00:00:01  34kN
1...fxg5 2.Ne5 Qxe7 3.Rxe7 Rxe7 4.Qh5 Bc7 5.Qg6+ Kh8 6.f6 gxf6 7.Qxf6+ Rg7
8.Qxh6+
  ±  (1.39)   Depth: 9   00:00:01  392kN
1...Bd8 2.gxh6 gxh6 3.a4 bxa4 4.c4 Bxe7
  ±  (0.74)   Depth: 9   00:00:01  451kN
1...Bd8 2.gxf6 gxf6 3.Qg4
  ±  (1.01)   Depth: 12   00:00:02  2836kN
1...Bd8 2.h4 b4 3.Rxf6 Rxe7 4.Qh5 Qe8 5.Nxe7 Bxe7 6.Qxe8 Nxe8 7.Rf7
  ±  (1.10)   Depth: 15   00:00:16  35007kN
1...Bd8 2.Ne5 fxe5 3.g6+ Kh8 4.gxf7 Bxe7 5.Qh5 Bf8 6.Re8 Qxf7 7.Qxf7 Nxf7
8.Rxf8+ Kh7 9.Rxf7 exd4 10.cxd4 a4
  +-  (2.76)   Depth: 18   00:02:29  305293kN
1...fxg5 2.Ne5 Qxe7 3.Rxe7 Rxe7 4.Qh5 Bc7 5.Qg6+ Kh8 6.f6 gxf6 7.Ng4 Ne4 8.Nxf6
Nxf6 9.Qxf6+ Rg7
  +-  (2.42)   Depth: 18   00:05:23  495513kN

(W,  09.10.2001)


>
>
>>1r3r2/1b4kp/1q1p2p1/p1n1P1p1/1p2P3/7P/PPPQNNBK/R4R2 b - - acd 18; acn 623805900;
>>acs 3606; bm Rxf2; ce -223; id wcsac0257; pv Rxf2 Rxf2 Nxe4 Qd4 Qxd4 Nxd4 Nxf2
>>Ne6+ Kh6 exd6 Bc8 Nc5 Bf5 Rf1 Rc8 d7 Bxd7 Nxd7 Rxc2 Kg3;
>>r1q2rk1/pbpnbppp/1p6/4p3/2P5/1PQ2NP1/PB2PPBP/R2R2K1 w - - acd 20; acn 656525154;
>>acs 3606; bm Rxd7; ce 442; id wcsac0325; pv Rxd7 Qxd7 Nxe5 Bf6 Bxb7 Rad8 Nxd7
>>Bxc3 Bxc3 Rxd7 Kg2 Rfd8 Kf3 h5 Kf4 Kh7 e3 g6 e4;
>>2qrr1n1/3b1kp1/2pBpn1p/1p2PP2/p2P4/1BP5/P3Q1PP/4RRK1 w - - acd 15; acn
>>976000576; acs 3603; bm Qh5+; ce 32748; id wcsac0398; pv Qh5+ Nxh5 fxe6+ Kg6
>>Bc2+ Kg5 Rf5+ Kg6 Rf6+ Kg5 Rg6+ Kh4 Re4+ Nf4 Rxf4+ Kh5 g3 Bxe6 Rh4#;
>
>This position is certainly a solid test, ends up in mate and no other
>alternative can come closer (I think).

Agreed.

>
>>r4rk1/1bp3pp/p3Pp2/1pb2P1Q/5B1N/1Pq1p1PK/P6P/R2R4 w - - acd 15; acn 226843577;
>>acs 3603; bm Rd7; ce 388; id wcsac0408; pv Rac1 Qb4 Rd7 Bc8 Rxc7 Be7 Bxe3 Qa3
>>R1c5 Qxa2 Rxe7 Qxb3 Bf4 Qd3;
>
>I can see that this position is problematic. Rd7 is certainly the best move
>when I checked it,
>IIRC 1... Qxa1 2. Rxg7+ Kxg7 3. Bh6+ Kh8 4. Ng6+ hxg6 5. fxg6 and White threats
>Bg7 and black cannot stop it but delaying it throwing material).
>However, Rac1 is a winner too. The only problem is that I like this position
>because I believe that we can see if a program has more or less problems with
>horizon effects. I will check if I can modify slightly the position to avoid
>the cook (I will try a white pawn in c2 rather than in a2)

Ok.  Becuase I believe Rac1 is a cook also.

>
>>r4k1r/ppp1n2p/2n2N2/4p1N1/1q1b2Q1/8/P4PPP/R1B1R1K1 w - - acd 12; acn 615027542;
>>acs 3603; bm Ba3; ce 347; id wcsac0429; pv Ba3 Qc4 Nfxh7+ Rxh7 Nxh7+ Ke8 Qg7 Kd7
>>Rad1 Qxa2 Rxd4+ exd4 Nf6+ Kc8 Qf8+ Ncd8 Bxe7;
>>4r2k/p2qr1pp/1pp2p2/2p1nP1N/4R3/1P1P2RP/1PP2QP1/7K w - - acd 19; acn 941499465;
>>acs 3602; bm Rxg7; ce 302; id wcsac0442; pv Rxg7 Rxg7 Nxf6 Qe7 Nxe8 Rg8 Qf4 Rxe8
>>f6 Qd6 f7 Rf8 Rxe5 a5 g4 a4 Rf5 Qxf4 Rxf4 axb3;
>>r2r2k1/1b2bp1p/p4npQ/1p1Pp1N1/Pnq1P3/R5N1/5PPP/1BBR2K1 w - - acd 13; acn
>>1530814052; acs 1057; bm Nh5; ce 32754; id wcsac0450; pv Nh5 gxh5 Rg3 Qc3 Bd3
>>Qxd3 Rdxd3 Bf8 Nxh7+ Kh8 Nxf8+ Nh7 Qxh7#;
>
>The rest of the positions looks good. I will look at them again tonight.
>Once we are happy with this 10 (or less if we throw out one) we can move to
>another 10.
>Hopefully, we can get at least 30 good clean tactical test positions that are
>not extremely easy or difficult out of the 44 I selected from WCSAC. The test
>"as is" with the 1000 positions is unusable. 800 positions are too easy
>and there are _many_ with cooks and transpositions.

Ok, sounds fine.  Just let me know.

>
>Regards,
>Miguel
>
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>>Slate



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