Author: Slater Wold
Date: 21:37:17 10/10/01
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On October 10, 2001 at 23:32:08, K. Burcham wrote:
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>just another game that junior7 is wearing special xray glasses.
>i did find that shredder5 could also see the problems here.
>but i will not pat shredder5 on the back.
> shredder5 has had games when it lost to junior when
>it could not see winning lines at all. and score jumps several points.
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>this was a game, chess tiger lost to junior7. posted earlier by sune.
>the losing move was 13...Ng4 by chess tiger 14.
>it seems that 10...0-0 is not in my ct.tbk book for B89 Sicilian/Sozin Attack.
>instead tiger 14 wants 10...Na5. and only shows this move for B89, yet tiger
>chose this other move during the game. not sure how this was possible if we have
>same book. but i did notice in analysis mode, tiger does choose 0-0 more than
>once instead of 10...Na5.
>also i did notice that 10...0-0 is one of the moves in shredder5 book for B89.
That's becuase, as you can see, they were using the Nunn book. The engines
books were not used.
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>[Event "40/2"]
>[Site "Stuttgart"]
>[Date "2001.10.06"]
>[Round "?"]
>[White "Junior 7"]
>[Black "Chess Tiger 14.0"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>[ECO "B89"]
>[PlyCount "39"]
>[EventDate "2001.10.06"]
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>1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 d6 6. Bc4 e6 7. Be3 a6 8. Qe2
>Qc7 9. O-O-O Be7 10. Bb3 O-O {end of book-Nunn} 11. g4 {0.37/17 144} 11... Nxd4
>{-0.58/15 232} 12. Rxd4 {0.26/17 155} 12... b5 {-0.60/15 429} 13. g5 {0.30/18 1
>} 13... Ng4 {-0.56/16 226} 14. Qxg4 {0.81/17 292} 14... e5 {0.34/17 1627} 15.
>Qh5 {1.36/20 1} 15... exd4 {0.15/13 32} 16. Nd5 {1.66/18 741} 16... Qa7 {
>2.62/15 1049} 17. Nf6+ {5.16/16 576} 17... Bxf6 {3.22/15 0} 18. gxf6 {
>5.46/17 172} 18... Qc5 {3.46/14 721} 19. Bd5 {6.07/16 115} 19... Qxd5 {
>11.18/13 1254} 20. exd5 {6.73/22 1} 1-0
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>Sune
>Engine: Shredder 5
>by Stefan Meyer-Kahlen
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> 9.01 0:01 +1.04 13...Nd7 14.f4 Nc5 15.Rhd1 Nxb3+ 16.axb3 Bb7 17.h4 Rac8
>18.Kb1 Qa5 (376.060) 312.8
> 10.01 0:05 +0.89 13...Nd7 14.h4 Nc5 15.h5 Rd8 16.g6 Bf6 17.gxh7+ Kxh7 18.h6
>Nxb3+
>19.axb3 Bxd4 20.hxg7+ Kxg7 21.Bxd4+ Kf8 (1.455.507) 283.6
> 11.01 0:11 +0.69 13...Nd7 14.h4 Nc5 15.h5 Rd8 16.g6 Nxb3+ 17.axb3 Bf6
>18.gxh7+ Kxh7 19.Rd3 b4 20.Na2 Bb7 (3.153.708) 277.3
> 12.01 0:25 +0.79 13...Nd7 14.h4 Nc5 15.h5 Bb7 16.h6 Nxb3+ 17.axb3 g6 18.f4
>f5 19.gxf6 Bxf6 20.Rd3 Rac8 (6.929.509) 274.4
> 13.01 0:55 +0.75 13...Nd7 14.h4 Nc5 15.h5 Qa5 16.g6 Bf6 17.gxh7+ Kh8 18.h6
>Nxb3+ 19.cxb3 Bd7 20.Rxd6 Qxa2 (15.047.653) 272.3
> 14.01 7:21 +0.74 13...Nd7 14.a3 Bb7 15.f4 d5 16.exd5 Bxa3 17.Kb1 Bd6 18.Re1
>Nc5 19.Ba2 (115.458.813) 261.6
>best move: Nf6-d7 time: 14:11.444 min n/s: 266.264 nodes: 226.707.680
DJ7:
W,S - Deep Junior 7
r1b2rk1/2q1bppp/p2ppn2/1p4P1/3RP3/1BN1B3/PPP1QP1P/2K4R b - - 0 1
Analysis by Deep Junior 7:
13...Nd7 14.Rhd1
² (0.54) Depth: 3 00:00:00
13...Nd7 14.Rhd1
² (0.54) Depth: 3 00:00:00
13...Nd7 14.Rhd1
² (0.54) Depth: 3 00:00:00
13...Nd7 14.h4 Nc5 15.h5 Nxb3+
² (0.49) Depth: 6 00:00:00 3kN
13...Nd7 14.h4 Nc5 15.h5 Nxb3+ 16.axb3
² (0.55) Depth: 9 00:00:00 19kN
13...Nd7 14.h4 Nc5 15.f4 Nxb3+ 16.axb3 Bb7 17.h5
² (0.47) Depth: 12 00:00:00 464kN
13...Nd7 14.h4 Nc5 15.f4 Nxb3+ 16.axb3 Qa5 17.h5 Qa1+ 18.Nb1 Bb7
² (0.26) Depth: 15 00:00:04 6735kN
13...Nd7 14.a3 Nc5 15.Ba2 Bb7 16.f3 g6 17.h4 e5 18.Nd5 Bxd5 19.Rxd5
= (0.24) Depth: 18 00:00:51 89164kN
13...Nd7 14.a3 Bb7 15.h4 Rfc8 16.h5 Nc5 17.Ba2 e5
² (0.36) Depth: 21 00:08:40 889094kN
(W, 10.10.2001)
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>this is the losing move chosen by chess tiger 14. here ct14 chooses 13...Ng4.
>13...Ng4 has been taken out of the shredder5 book, only choice is Nd7 and
>shredder5 is still in book.
>at this point ct14 shows out of book for move 13.
>eval for 13...Ng4 shredder5 jumps to +3.13 almost a 4 point jump, if it chooses
>tigers move.
>eval for 13...Ng4 tiger14 -.40 at depth 17. in this position the difference in
>eval is almost 4 points between the two programs.
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> [D] r1b2rk1/2q1bppp/p2ppn2/1p4P1/3RP3/1BN1B3/PPP1QP1P/2K4R b - - 0 1
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>next move is 14. Qxg4
>big difference in eval. but finally tiger begins to see the problems.
>maybe the eval problem is tigers four advanced pawns on opponents king, not
>sure.
>also tiger has rook to opponents bishop, so maybe this eval is also material
>difference.
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>all scores are for white...
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>after 13...Nxg4. here is eval for:
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>depth 18 shredder5 +2.48 chess tiger 14 -.18
Deep Junior 7 - W,S
r1b2rk1/2q1bppp/p2pp3/1p4P1/3RP1n1/1BN1B3/PPP1QP1P/2K4R w - - 0 1
Analysis by Deep Junior 7:
14.Qxg4 e5 15.Nd5 Bxg4 16.Nxc7 exd4
± (0.82) Depth: 3 00:00:00 1kN
14.Qxg4 e5 15.Qd1 exd4 16.Nd5 Qd8 17.Nxe7+ Qxe7 18.Qxd4
² (0.60) Depth: 6 00:00:00 7kN
14.Qxg4 e5 15.Qh5 exd4 16.Bxd4 Qd8 17.f4 b4 18.Nd5
² (0.40) Depth: 9 00:00:00 127kN
14.Qxg4 e5 15.Qh5 exd4 16.Nd5 Qb7 17.Bxd4 b4 18.f4
² (0.43) Depth: 12 00:00:01 1514kN
14.Qxg4!
± (0.73) Depth: 15 00:00:06 10786kN
14.Qxg4!
± (1.03) Depth: 18 00:01:02 110597kN
14.Qxg4!
± (1.33) Depth: 20 00:10:59 1177388kN
(W, 10.10.2001)
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>after 14. Qxg4. here is eval for:
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>depth 16 shredder5 +3.75 chess tiger 14 .00
W,S - Deep Junior 7
r1b2rk1/2q1bppp/p2pp3/1p4P1/3RP1Q1/1BN1B3/PPP2P1P/2K4R b - - 0 1
Analysis by Deep Junior 7:
14...h6 15.f4 hxg5
+- (2.60) Depth: 3 00:00:00
14...e5 15.Nd5 Bxg4 16.Nxc7 exd4
± (0.83) Depth: 3 00:00:00
14...e5 15.Nd5 Bxg4 16.Nxc7 exd4
± (0.83) Depth: 3 00:00:00
14...e5 15.Nd5 Bxg4 16.Nxc7 exd4
± (0.83) Depth: 3 00:00:00
14...e5 15.Qd1 exd4 16.Nd5 Qd8 17.Nxe7+ Qxe7 18.Qxd4
² (0.61) Depth: 6 00:00:00 5kN
14...e5 15.Qh5 exd4 16.Bxd4 Qd8 17.f4 b4 18.Nd5
² (0.40) Depth: 9 00:00:00 85kN
14...e5 15.Qh5 exd4 16.Nd5 Qb7 17.Bxd4 b4 18.f4
² (0.43) Depth: 12 00:00:01 1178kN
14...e5 15.Qh5
± (0.73) Depth: 15 00:00:10 16329kN
14...e5 15.Qh5
± (1.03) Depth: 18 00:02:51 324465kN
14...e5 15.Qh5
± (1.33) Depth: 20 00:09:51 1023861kN
(W, 10.10.2001)
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>after 14...e5. here is eval for:
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>depth 18 shredder5 +4.07 chess tiger 14 +.92
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>after 15. Qh5. here is eval for:
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>depth 17 shredder5 +3.50 chess tiger 14 +2.10
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>after 15...exd4 here is eval for:
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>depth 17 shredder5 +4.07 chess tiger 14 +2.35
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>after 16...Qa7 here is eval:
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>depth 15 shredder +4.50 chess tiger 14 +3.10
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>after 18...Qc5 here is eval for:
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>depth 14 shredder5 +10.38 chess tiger 14 +4.26
Deep Junior 7 - W,S
r1b2rk1/5ppp/p2p1P2/1pq4Q/3pP3/1B2B3/PPP2P1P/2K4R w - - 0 1
Analysis by Deep Junior 7:
19.Qxc5 dxc5 20.fxg7 Kxg7 21.Rg1+ Kh8
= (0.01) Depth: 3 00:00:00
19.Qxc5 dxc5 20.fxg7 Kxg7 21.Rg1+ Kh8 22.Bh6 Re8 23.Bd5
= (-0.05) Depth: 6 00:00:00 6kN
19.Bd5 Be6 20.Rg1 g6 21.Bh6 d3
² (0.30) Depth: 6 00:00:00 37kN
19.Bd5!
² (0.60) Depth: 9 00:00:00 291kN
19.Bd5!
± (0.90) Depth: 12 00:00:03 4879kN
19.Bd5!
± (1.20) Depth: 14 00:00:11 20543kN
19.Qh4!
± (1.40) Depth: 14 00:00:17 28968kN
19.Qh4! Bg4 20.Qxg4 g6 21.Qg5 Qe5 22.Bf4 Qxe4 23.Bd5 Qe2 24.Bxa8 Rxa8 25.Qh6
+- (1.70) Depth: 14 00:00:25 46442kN
19.Qh4!
+- (2.00) Depth: 16 00:00:32 60806kN
19.Bd5!
+- (2.20) Depth: 16 00:01:15 112477kN
19.Bd5! Qxd5 20.exd5 Bf5 21.Qxf5 g6 22.Qh3 h5 23.Bxd4 Rfd8 24.Re1
+- (5.71) Depth: 16 00:03:58 466332kN
(W, 10.10.2001)
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>position after 18...Qc5
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> [D] r1b2rk1/5ppp/p2p1P2/1pq4Q/3pP3/1B2B3/PPP2P1P/2K4R w - - 0 1
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>final analysis 18...Qc5
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> 12.02 4:11 +4.47++ 6.Bd5 Bf5 7.Rg1 Bxe4 8.c3 Qxd5 9.Qh6 Rfe8 10.Qxg7+
>(78.846.832) 313.8
> 12.02 4:23 +4.82++ 6.Bd5 Bf5 7.Rg1 Bxe4 8.c3 Qxd5 9.Qh6 dxe3 10.Qxg7+
>(82.990.159) 314.9
> 12.02 9:24 +10.13 6.Bd5 Qxd5 7.exd5 Bf5 8.Qxf5 g6 9.Qh3 d3 10.Qh6 d2+
>(180.031.831) 318.7
> 13.01 13:31 +10.38++ 6.Bd5 Qxd5 7.exd5 Bf5 8.Qxf5 g6 9.Qh3 d3 10.Qh6 d2+
>11.Bxd2 Rfd8 (257.316.295) 317.1
>best move: Bb3-d5 time: 14:59.488 min n/s: 318.063 nodes: 286.093.401
>..QdÐB
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>kburcham
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