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Subject: Re: Wait, Thorsten Has a Point...

Author: Enrique Irazoqui

Date: 15:09:10 05/25/98

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On May 25, 1998 at 14:09:37, Fernando Villegas wrote:

>Hi All:
>No matter how much prejudiced or biased against Fritz 5 Thorsten is or
>seem to be, no matter how much "emotional" his statements appears for
>the scientifically minded people here, no matter his style, - a good
>worded one, to be sure, I say as a pro- - etc, etc, it is clear he has a
>point with respect to the way programs are measured. It is just not fair
>running programs in different platforms, that's all. And he has given a
>proof of that. We all know what a lot of difference the speed has even
>for not fast searcher programs. Probably all people here has had the
>same experience than me: until 386 platforms I was capable of getting
>systematic good results against top  programs, but that score
>disappeared  almost totally when I got a 486 and now with a Pentium 200
>MMX I just get a draw in specially happy and bright days. And I am
>talking of the very same programs, not upgrades. So, if really there has
>been a systematioc practice to give a program a considerably faster
>platform, no doubt that the results should be taken with a grain of
>salt, foe saying the least.
>This is not to say Fritz 5 is weak: Is just to say that a shadow of
>suspicion -not over tester, but on the testing procedure- is cast over
>the entire SSDF list.
>Now in a more subjetive approach, I have felt, also, that Fritz is not
>that strong. I have posted before on that. Of course maybe his style is
>earsier for me to hold at bay, but nevertheless and although in the end
>I like it very much, my feeling is -feeling, yes- that there are at
>least 3 or 4 prorams stronger against human competition.
>But then, how to explain the results against human players of high
>level? Well, maybe that results are not too many. Enrique, how many
>games Fritz has played with draw or wins againts over than master level
>players?
>Fernando

I have only seen the games played at the Impuls tournament, where Fritz
5 finished third, ahead of 33 GMs, achieving a 2700 Elo performance. The
whole tournament was played at game in 20 minutes and Fritz 5 ran on a
PII/233. Details and games can be found at
http://www.chessbase.com/events/impuls/impuls.htm

Enrique



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