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Subject: Re: Wait, Thorsten Has a Point...

Author: Don Dailey

Date: 11:20:37 05/26/98

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On May 25, 1998 at 14:09:37, Fernando Villegas wrote:

>Hi All:
>No matter how much prejudiced or biased against Fritz 5 Thorsten is or
>seem to be, no matter how much "emotional" his statements appears for
>the scientifically minded people here, no matter his style, - a good
>worded one, to be sure, I say as a pro- - etc, etc, it is clear he has a
>point with respect to the way programs are measured. It is just not fair
>running programs in different platforms, that's all.

I'm not sure what your point is, but if you are advocating that we
continue to move toward a unified platform type of competition, then
I must very strongly disagree.  I think this really encourages a
very limited style of writing a chess program and closes our minds
to other possibilites.

I keep seeing proposals to FIX the hardware to some standard commonly
available platform.   But I'm sure this encourages mediocrity.  In
affect you are saying, do not write a great program if it uses
innovative
techniques not supported by this or that hardware.   Examples of this
are programs that thrive with extra memory (let's punish em' if they
use memory), more innovative hardware like 64 bit stuff from SUNS, SGI
or DEC (let's punish em if they write 64 bit code) and even designing
your own hardware.   An incredibly intelligent future program is likely
to have larger memory needs, ask any AI researcher, but let's punish
anyone who try's to innovate here.

The solution is simple, just publish the results WITH all the detail.
When you do the tests, make it completely clear what the exact
configuration of each hardware/software entity is.  Publish sublists
to show how each one does on the same exact platform when possible.
But let's not force this stiffling kind of conformity which instead
of being fair,  which it claims to be, will have exactly the opposite
affect.

Let's use our imaginations, and not limit our resources.  In my
opinion, this is the only way (or some variation):

  Provide a couple of standard platforms.  Each entrant has the
  option to use this platform OR he must provide his own to
  some testing organization, for his programs sole use.

I really believe this is the only "fair" way to do it.  It's not
the easiest I'm afraid, but give me a break,  let's not pretend
forcing these constraints is somehow fair.   But more than being
unfair, it's very limiting to those who want to innovate and
experiment with different hardware platforms.

I sure hope this is not what everyone wants to happen.

- Don



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