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Subject: Re: [MOD] Going overboard

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 10:48:59 10/19/01

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On October 19, 2001 at 12:26:41, Bruce Moreland wrote:

>On October 19, 2001 at 02:29:19, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On October 19, 2001 at 02:20:08, Derrick Daniels wrote:
>>
>>>On October 19, 2001 at 02:02:11, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 18, 2001 at 21:58:05, Derrick Daniels wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>..
>>>>
>>>>Derrick,
>>>>
>>>>Postings calling people names are removed. That's against the CCC
>>>>charter.
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>
>>>>Ed Schroder
>>>>CCC moderator
>>>
>>> Hi Ed
>>>
>>> I don't recall calling anyone names, i spoke about the organization
>>>kasparov.com and said that they were greedy to charge people to view exclusive
>>>interviews, that is and was my opinion, but not a personal attack in anyway.
>>>Certainly nothing offensive enough to be censored.
>>
>>Certainly "greedy" would have to be considered an undesirable trait.
>>
>>People did send in complaints.  The moderators acted reasonably.
>>
>>This is a moderated forum.  That means that there are limits on what you say,
>>and those limits are governed by the charter you read and agreed to when you
>>joined.
>>
>>I consider your telling Christophe Theron to "get his act together" to be a very
>>offensive way to phrase what is probably a user error on your end.  Here I am
>>referring to:
>>http://www.icdchess.com/forums/1/message.shtml?193470
>>
>>I suggest the following rephrasing:
>>"I am having a problem configuring Chess Tiger to work correctly.  For some
>>reason, it loses on time on my machine.  What am I doing wrong?"
>>
>>Now, imagine that you are Christophe.  Which format would you find the most
>>palateable?
>>
>>Benjamin Franklin said, "You can catch more flies with a teaspoon of sugar than
>>with a gallon of vinegar."
>>
>>I can certainly be abrasive at times, as can just about anyone.  But if we do
>>exercise a bit of effort to be especially civil, it would just be that much
>>nicer, wouldn't it?
>
>I think this is nuts, as it relates to moderation.  People get emotional and
>have strong opinions, and this comes out in their posts.
>
>It's not allowed to make personal attacks here, but this shouldn't be confused
>with criticism.  I would hate it if the moderators forced people to neutralize
>all of their language in order to say anything.
>
>In particular, I can conceive of no reason why someone shouldn't be allowed to
>call a company greedy.  If someone wants to talk about a company's policies,
>that seems on-topic to me.  What message is being sent by this latest post
>removal -- that someone can't say that they are unhappy because a web site is
>charging to view content?  That someone can't say that they don't like the
>content at a web site?  What's next, it's going to be against policy to say that
>you don't like a way that a program plays, because this might hurt the
>programmer's feelings?

When you put it that way, I will have to admit to making "evil empire" jokes
about ChessBase.  But if members find it offensive and complain, then I think it
is up to the moderators to make a choice.  If they decide to delete it, then it
gets deleted.

>Eesh, what a boring place CCC will be, with those rules in effect.
>
>I see nothing wrong with the post you refer to, which states, in total:
>
>"I thought this problem was fixed in the latest tiger version????? Come on chris
>get it together."
>
>You'd moderate that?  That's riduculous.  Come on, Dann, get it together.

I said I thought it was offensive.  I think the poster bears watching.  But I
did not say that I would moderate it.

>Could be worse though.  I tried to send a post to another forum, and it was
>rejected because I used the word "crap".

If some of my posts get removed (and I would not be the least bit surprised if
they do -- they certainly have been in the past) then I don't think it is a big
deal.  I can always repost it in an unmoderated forum.

I don't see removal of any post, including ones that I write, as something to
get in a huff about.  I have had at least a dozen posts removed.  Never bothered
me once.  Each time, I had no intention of offending.  But someone *was*
offended.  And so the post was removed.  I think that is a good thing.

I don't think we should remove posts willy-nilly.  But if common decency makes
CCC a boring place, then I vote for boring.



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