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Subject: Re: test position(king safety)

Author: Slater Wold

Date: 20:48:15 10/25/01

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On October 25, 2001 at 15:39:19, Uri Blass wrote:

>On October 25, 2001 at 15:25:30, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On October 25, 2001 at 11:41:28, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>How much time does your program need to avoid Nxg3?
>>>
>>>Here is Junior7's analysis on p200 after some learning
>>>It has no problem to avoid Ng3 after  learning 18...Nxg3 19.hxg3 Bxg3 20.f4 Qh4
>>>21.Rf3 Qh2+ 22.Kf1.
>>>
>>>In the game of the match that a link for it is posted elsewhere
>>>Shredder5.32 could not avoid 18...Nxg3 and lost against Fritz7
>>>
>>>
>>>New game - Junior 7
>>>[D]1r3rk1/pbbnq1pp/1p6/PPpp1p2/3Pn3/3NNPP1/2Q1P1BP/R1B2RK1 b - - 0 1
>>
>>Yace:
>>
>>title "King Safety (Uri Blass 10/25/01 @11:41:28)"
>>Stored 8 learned positions into hash table
>>solution  Nd6
>>usetime = 998.00, mintime = 998.00 maxtime = 998.00 tl 998.00 ml 0
>>       196   0.003  -1.19  1t  1...Bxg3 2.fxe4 dxe4 3.Nxc5 bxc5 4.hxg3 cxd4
>>                               {-190}
>>       266   0.006  -0.84  1t  1...Nxg3 2.hxg3 Bxg3 {-180}
>>       714   0.008   0.18  1t  1...f4 2.Nxd5 Bxd5 3.fxe4 Bxe4 4.Bxe4 Qxe4 {0}
>>       861   0.010   0.20  1t  1...Nd6 2.axb6 Bxb6 3.dxc5 Nxc5 {0}
>>       894   0.010   0.20  1.  1...Nd6 2.axb6 Bxb6 3.dxc5 Nxc5 {0}
>>      1134   0.011   0.09  2t  1...Nd6 2.Bd2 Nxb5 3.axb6 {0}
>>      1179   0.012   0.18  2t+ 1...f4 2.Nxd5 Bxd5H 3.fxe4H Bxe4H 4.Bxe4H Qxe4H
>>                               {0}
>>      1223   0.012   0.18  2t  1...f4 2.Nxd5 Bxd5H 3.fxe4H Bxe4H 4.Bxe4H Qxe4H
>>                               {0}
>>      1458   0.014   0.18  2.  1...f4 2.Nxd5 Bxd5 3.fxe4 Bxe4 4.Bxe4 Qxe4 {0}
>>      6694   0.066   0.18  3t  1...f4 2.Nxd5 Bxd5 3.fxe4H Bxe4H 4.Bxe4H Qxe4H
>>                               {0}
>>      9101   0.071   0.18  3.  1...f4 2.Nxd5 Bxd5 3.fxe4 Bxe4 4.Bxe4 Qxe4 {0}
>>     17511   0.101   0.06  4t  1...f4 2.a6 Ba8 3.Nxd5 {-80}
>>     33406   0.155   0.06  4.  1...f4 2.a6 Ba8 3.Nxd5 {-80}
>>     43020   0.182  -0.34  5-- 1...f4 2.gxf4 Bxf4 3.fxe4 dxe4 {-260}
>>     50111   0.206  -1.12  5t  1...f4 2.gxf4 Nd6 3.dxc5 Nxb5 4.cxb6 {-160}
>>     56777   0.226  -1.11  5t+ 1...Nd6 2.a6 Ba8 3.Bd2
>>    114781   0.447   0.11  5t  1...Nd6 2.f4 Nxb5 3.Nxd5 Qd6H 4.Be3H {0}
>>    143375   0.527   0.11  5.  1...Nd6 2.f4 Nxb5 3.Nxd5 Qd6 4.Be3 {0}
>>    345034   1.228  -0.12  6t  1...Nd6 2.dxc5 Nxb5 3.axb6 axb6 4.Qb3 Nd4
>>                               5.Nxd5 Qxe2 {0}
>>   1020439   3.535  -0.12  6.  1...Nd6 2.dxc5 Nxb5 3.axb6 axb6 4.Qb3 Nd4
>>                               5.Nxd5 Qxe2 {0}
>>   1363286   4.644  -0.39  7t  1...Nd6 2.dxc5 Nxb5 3.Qb2 f4 4.axb6 axb6 5.gxf4
>>                               {-80}
>>   2968525   9.824  -0.39  7.  1...Nd6 2.dxc5 Nxb5 3.Qb2 f4 4.axb6 axb6 5.gxf4
>>                               {-80}
>>   3855310  12.615  -0.72  8t  1...Nd6 2.dxc5 bxc5 3.Nxc5 Nxc5 4.Qxc5 Rfc8
>>                               5.Qd4 Nxb5 6.Nxf5 {-80}
>>   9808086  33.855  -0.72  8.  1...Nd6 2.dxc5 bxc5 3.Nxc5 Nxc5 4.Qxc5 Rfc8
>>                               5.Qd4 Nxb5 6.Nxf5 {-80}
>>  13233369  46.495  -0.65  9t  1...Nd6 2.dxc5 bxc5 3.Nxc5 Nxc5 4.Qxc5 Rfc8
>>                               5.Qd4 Nxb5 6.Nxf5 Qe5 {-80}
>>  24515539  1:25.0  -0.65  9.  1...Nd6 2.dxc5 bxc5 3.Nxc5 Nxc5 4.Qxc5 Rfc8
>>                               5.Qd4 Nxb5 6.Nxf5 Qe5 {-80}
>>  36989399  2:12.5  -0.58 10t  1...Nd6 2.dxc5 bxc5 3.Nxc5 Nxc5 4.Qxc5 Rfc8
>>                               5.Qb4 Ba8 6.Qd4 Rxb5 7.Qxa7 {-80}
>>  67274469  4:01.8  -0.58 10.  1...Nd6 2.dxc5 bxc5 3.Nxc5 Nxc5 4.Qxc5 Rfc8
>>                               5.Qb4 Ba8 6.Qd4 Rxb5 7.Qxa7 {-80}
>> 101382720  6:17.0  -0.53 11t  1...Nd6 2.dxc5 bxc5 3.Nxc5 Nxc5 4.Qxc5 Rfc8
>>                               5.Qd4 Nxb5 6.Nxf5 Qe5 7.Qxe5 Bxe5 {-80}
>>[snip]
>Yace has no problem to solve it and I guess that the same is for Fritz and
>Crafty but Junior7 has big problems and the same is probably also true for
>shredder that lost the game because of 18...Nxg3
>
>The hardware for Junior7 is only p200 but even after 3 hours Junior has no idea
>that 18...Nxg3 is wrong because it overestimate white king sefety's problems.
>
>Usually king safety test positions are positions when the sacrifice is correct
>and this is the reason that I chose position when the sacrifice is wrong.
>
>New game - Junior 7
>[D]1r3rk1/pbbnq1pp/1p6/PPpp1p2/3Pn3/3NNPP1/2Q1P1BP/R1B2RK1 b - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Junior 7:
>
>18...Nf2 19.Nxf2 f4
>  +-  (2.14)   Depth: 3   00:00:01
>18...Nd6 19.a6 Ba8 20.dxc5
>  ²  (0.64)   Depth: 3   00:00:01
>18...Nxg3 19.hxg3 Bxg3
>  ²  (0.43)   Depth: 3   00:00:01
>18...Ng5 19.a6 Ba8
>  ²  (0.37)   Depth: 3   00:00:01
>18...Ng5 19.axb6 Bxb6 20.dxc5 Nxc5 21.Nxc5 Bxc5
>  ²  (0.35)   Depth: 6   00:00:01  9kN
>18...Ng5 19.axb6 axb6 20.Ra7 c4 21.Nf2 Qe6
>  ±  (0.79)   Depth: 9   00:00:02  233kN
>18...Nxg3!
>  =  (0.05)   Depth: 9   00:00:03  356kN
>18...Nxg3! 19.hxg3 Bxg3 20.dxc5 bxc5 21.b6 Qh4 22.Qb2 axb6
>  =  (-0.01)   Depth: 9   00:00:04  512kN
>18...Nxg3 19.hxg3 Bxg3 20.Bh3 Qh4 21.Kg2 c4 22.Nb2 g6 23.Rh1
>  =  (-0.03)   Depth: 12   00:00:15  1889kN
>18...Nxg3 19.hxg3 Bxg3 20.Bh3 Qh4 21.Kg2 c4 22.Nb2 Bd6 23.Rh1 Qg3+ 24.Kf1 g6
>25.Bd2
>  =  (0.09)   Depth: 14   00:02:15  16274kN
>18...Nxg3 19.hxg3 Bxg3 20.Bh3 Qh4 21.Kg2 c4 22.Nb2 Bf4 23.Nxf5 Rxf5 24.Bxf4 Rxf4
>25.Bxd7 Qg5+ 26.Kh2 Rh4+ 27.Bh3 Rxd4
>  =  (0.23)   Depth: 15   00:08:02  48911kN
>18...Nxg3 19.hxg3 Bxg3 20.Bh3 Qh4 21.Kg2 c4 22.Nb2 Bc7 23.Rh1 Qg3+ 24.Kf1 g6
>25.a6 Ba8 26.Bd2
>  ²  (0.26)   Depth: 16   00:21:17  132489kN
>18...Nxg3 19.hxg3 Bxg3 20.Bh3 Qh4 21.Kg2 c4 22.Nb2 Bd6 23.Rh1 Qg3+ 24.Kf1 g6
>25.Nbxc4 dxc4 26.Qxc4+ Kh8 27.Qe6
>  =  (0.24)   Depth: 17   00:56:58  348264kN
>18...Nxg3 19.hxg3 Bxg3 20.Bh3 Qh4 21.Kg2 c4 22.Nf2 g6 23.axb6 axb6 24.Ra7 Rfe8
>25.Bd2
>  ²  (0.26)   Depth: 18   02:39:16  1030918kN
>
>Uri

W,S - Deep Junior 7
1r3rk1/pbbnq1pp/1p6/PPpp1p2/3Pn3/3NNPP1/2Q1P1BP/R1B2RK1 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Deep Junior 7:

1...Nf2 2.Nxf2 f4
  +-  (2.14)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
1...Nd6 2.a6 Ba8 3.dxc5
  ²  (0.64)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
1...Nxg3 2.hxg3 Bxg3
  ²  (0.43)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
1...Ng5 2.a6 Ba8
  ²  (0.37)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
1...Ng5 2.axb6 Bxb6 3.dxc5 Nxc5 4.Nxc5 Bxc5
  ²  (0.35)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  8kN
1...Ng5 2.axb6 axb6 3.Ra7 c4 4.Nf2 Qe6
  ±  (0.79)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  240kN
1...Nxg3!
  =  (0.05)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  240kN
1...Nxg3! 2.hxg3 Bxg3 3.dxc5 bxc5 4.b6 Qh4 5.Qb2 axb6
  =  (-0.01)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  267kN
1...Nxg3 2.hxg3 Bxg3 3.Bh3 Qh4 4.Kg2 c4 5.Nb2 g6 6.Rh1
  =  (-0.03)   Depth: 12   00:00:02  1909kN
1...Nxg3 2.hxg3 Bxg3 3.Bh3 Qh4 4.Kg2 c4 5.Nb2 Bf4 6.Nxf5 Rxf5 7.Bxf4 Rxf4 8.Bxd7
Qg5+ 9.Kh2 Rh4+ 10.Bh3 Rxd4
  =  (0.23)   Depth: 15   00:00:37  48988kN
1...Nxg3 2.hxg3 Bxg3 3.axb6 cxd4 4.bxa7 Qh4 5.Rd1 Rbc8 6.Qxc8 Bh2+ 7.Kf1 Rxc8
8.Nxf5 Qf6 9.Bh3 Ba8 10.Kg2 Bd6
  ²  (0.37)   Depth: 18   00:08:44  751596kN
1...Nd6 2.a6 Ba8 3.Nf4 Qf7 4.Rb1 Rbe8 5.Bd2 c4 6.Rfc1
  ²  (0.32)   Depth: 18   00:13:01  968002kN

(W,  25.10.2001)



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