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Subject: Re: Blitz tablebase ending problem

Author: Chessfun

Date: 15:44:44 10/28/01

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On October 28, 2001 at 15:58:16, Uri Blass wrote:

>On October 28, 2001 at 13:30:12, Chessfun wrote:
>
>>[D]8/8/8/4b3/7k/7p/8/6K1 w - - 0 124
>>
>>In this position playing a blitz game
>>Gambit Tiger played 124. Kf2? then went
>>on to lose on move 131 on time.
>>
>>Yet I have all 5 piece tablebases installed.
>>If I load Gambit as with any engine my display
>>reads.
>>
>>1  =(0.00): 1.Kh1
>>2 -+(-#10): 1.Kf1
>>3 -+(-#10): 1.Kf2
>>
>>The last piece was taken on black's 87th move.
>>
>>Why did it not play the correct 1. Kh1.
>>is it to do with tablebase depth? or cache?
>>
>>
>>Sarah.
>
>If I tell Gambittiger not to use tablebases under Junior7 interface then
>I get the following analysis at fixed depth 3,4
>
>
>Gambit Tiger 2.0 - Blass,U
>8/8/8/4b3/7k/7p/8/6K1 w - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Gambit Tiger 2.0:
>
>1.Kf2 Bd4+ 2.Kf1 Bf2 3.Kxf2
>  ³  (-0.63)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
>
>(Blass, Tel-aviv 28.10.2001)
>
>
>Gambit Tiger 2.0 - Blass,U
>8/8/8/4b3/7k/7p/8/6K1 w - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Gambit Tiger 2.0:
>
>1.Kh1
>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 4   00:00:00, tb=3
>
>(Blass, Tel-aviv 28.10.2001)
>
>You can see from the last analysis that tiger is using tablebases and it is not
>enough to tell the interface not to use tablebases and I need also to tell the
>engine not to use tablebases in the engine parameters
>
>I did it and I got the following information at depth 4
>
>Chess Tiger 14.0 - Blass,U
>8/8/8/4b3/7k/7p/8/6K1 w - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Chess Tiger 14.0:
>
>1.Kh1 Bh2 2.Kxh2 Kg4
>  ³  (-0.63)   Depth: 4   00:00:00  1kN
>
>(Blass, Tel-aviv 28.10.2001)
>
>
>It seems that tiger needs depth 4 to find Kh1 if you do not tell the interface
>to use tablebases.
>
>Unfortunately tiger probably could get only depth 3 thanks to serious time
>trouble so it could not find Kh1.
>
>Uri

Makes sense.
I have seen other programs lose blitz games
also that are tablebase draws.

Sarah.





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