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Subject: Re: How about some real arguments

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 18:20:45 10/28/01

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On October 28, 2001 at 15:52:50, Tom Kerrigan wrote:

>On October 27, 2001 at 23:31:12, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>We did not wait to hear about product activation to have big concerns about
>>Microsoft, you know.
>>
>>This stuff is like cherry on the cake, but I fear there will be some other
>>cherries on top of this one in the future.
>>
>>Where Microsoft is taking us all is quite clear. I can almost guess what their
>>next steps are going to be.
>
>You have been posting a lot about your concerns re: MS and I consider all of
>them unjustified.
>
>You keep writing, over and over, that MS produces bloatware to drive people to
>upgrade their hardware. What evidence do you have? Some FUD that WinXP requires
>256MB and a fast processor to run? Do you really think that MS quadrupled the
>memory requirement of Win2k in a year? What incentive does MS have to make
>software that does not run well on the customers' computers? Are you a
>conspiracy theorist who believes Intel slipped MS some money to put delay loops
>in the code? Moreover, you seem immune to the idea that other operating systems
>that provide similar functionality require just as much or more memory. OS X is
>the easy target, but it has been true in the past that it takes more memory to
>run Linux (with a window manager) than Windows.



That is going _way_ too far.  I have linux + X running on an 8 meg 75 mhz
pentium.  And it runs just fine.  I have it running on a 16 meg P5/133 as
well.  Win2k won't even _install_ on either of those two machines.



>
>Next up is your concern about product activation and privacy. You still seem to
>think that it's an invasion of your privacy but have yet to explain exactly how.
>If you knew anything about the product activation process, you would know that
>it's anonymous. The install program only asks for your name and company when
>installing the OS, and it has no way to verify that this information is correct
>even if it did want to send it back to MS. You can activate the product right
>after installing it.
>
>Now you're complaining that MS drives you to use MS services with its OS, or the
>services of its partners. Where? Yeah, if you want to use Messenger, MSN Chat,
>or Hotmail, you will have to get a Passport. That's the only example I can think
>of, and I can hardly imagine that it's a concern to you, because you seem
>hellbent on not using software bundled with Windows. I just installed WinXP
>recently on my home PC and I was never once prompted to use MSN, Messenger, or
>anything else. Setting up my Earthlink dial-up connection was pathetically easy
>and didn't even require the Earthlink software. (Hmm, is Microsoft making things
>easier for its competition?) I also had _absolutely no problems_ downloading and
>installing ICQ and WinAmp and using them instead of Messenger and WMP.
>
>The last of your concerns that I can remember right now is about .NET and
>software subscription fees. I can't imagine how you're already getting so worked
>up about software that hasn't been released and a fee schedule that hasn't been
>implemented. For all you know, you'd think these things were great if you gave
>them a chance. Or they might not take off at all and you'll never be affected by
>them in the slightest.
>
>Which companies do you prefer over MS? Apple or Sun? Apple has been screwing its
>customers almost since day 1. OS X requires a recent Apple G3 computer and 128MB
>of RAM to run, and it doesn't have drivers for maybe half of the Mac hardware
>out there. Apple overprices their hardware by hundreds/thousands of dollars. A
>few months ago they released a firmware patch that disabled most peoples' 3rd
>party memory in the name of "system stability." The list goes on. If you want to
>be a Mac user, you have to jump through a million Apple hoops and hand over your
>retirement fund to Apple. Now that's a monopoly. How about Sun? They overcharge
>you for extra-slow processors and crap graphics. They went after MS legally for
>bundling a JVM with IE that passed Sun's own JVM compatibility tests when Sun's
>JVM didn't. Now they're going after MS for not bundling a JVM. And they had a
>bug in the L2 cache of their more expensive servers that would cause errors and
>data loss that they tried to _cover up_ for more than a year. All companies pull
>crap like this; you're just singling out MS because they're the biggest target.
>
>-Tom



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