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Subject: Re: Kasparov vs Deep Blue, DIEP not as bad as DeepBlue

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 12:00:37 10/30/01

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On October 30, 2001 at 14:49:32, Joshua Lee wrote:

>Few So Called "Perfect Games" Exist but According to Some GM's They DO. But To
>my Main Point Of intrest I know that Some People will Say Deep Blue Is Not as
>Good As Deep Fritz and Vice Versa But What i would like to know is that if Deep
>Blue Had Extra Knowledge Like Hiarcs/Shredder/ChessTiger   But Even More SO  how
>Could It be Possible to Compare The Two (without The Still In existence Deep
>Blue Junior) Playing??   I have seen Posts here about DB Jr. Following a game on
>ICC within the past few years Maybe someone can shed light on this.
>
>Also why hasn't anyone contacted the DB team and talked with them or got them to
>talk here on the messageboard?

I imagine they want to avoid the vitriol that has been spewing here for the last
four years.

>I would Like to See One Day before i die an equal Match weather that means A
>commercial Program Having the Hardware to search 200MPS or Whatever they were
>ACTUALLY searching or The Knowledge that DB is Supposed to Have that the Newest
>Programs Don't.
>
>In that case any analysis of Deep Blue Games Should Be with 36Billion Nodes
>searched else you don't give an accurate picture......Deep Blue might just have
>looked at the move Shredder or Deep Fritz thinks is better but Found a Bust
>after more time. Hence the reason it didn't play the so Called Better Move that
>you found with you're PC.

Emulation of Deep Blue or using PC's to analyze Deep Blue's moves will not
create an accurate picture as you point out.

Take a 8088 machine running EdChess and analyze a move of Deep Junior playing at
40/2 on an 8-way box.  What will you decide from the effort?  You can compute
the same number of nodes eventually.  But the algorithms (and therefore the
shape of the search tree) are not identical.  It's simply a waste of time, but
it does make for lots of fun debates.

What other chess match that happened more than one year ago are people still
talking about on a weekly basis?

None of them.  Of course.  Maybe if they did fully reassemble Deep Blue (perhaps
to an even greater strength) it would put an end to the debate.

Wouldn't that be sad?  What would we quibble about then?
;-)



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