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Subject: Re: Kasparov vs Deep Blue, DIEP not as bad as DeepBlue

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 17:04:41 10/30/01

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On October 30, 2001 at 14:49:32, Joshua Lee wrote:

>Few So Called "Perfect Games" Exist but According to Some GM's They DO. But To
>my Main Point Of intrest I know that Some People will Say Deep Blue Is Not as
>Good As Deep Fritz and Vice Versa But What i would like to know is that if Deep
>Blue Had Extra Knowledge Like Hiarcs/Shredder/ChessTiger   But Even More SO  how
>Could It be Possible to Compare The Two (without The Still In existence Deep
>Blue Junior) Playing??   I have seen Posts here about DB Jr. Following a game on
>ICC within the past few years Maybe someone can shed light on this.
>
>Also why hasn't anyone contacted the DB team and talked with them or got them to
>talk here on the messageboard?
>
>I would Like to See One Day before i die an equal Match weather that means A
>commercial Program Having the Hardware to search 200MPS or Whatever they were
>ACTUALLY searching or The Knowledge that DB is Supposed to Have that the Newest
>Programs Don't.
>
>In that case any analysis of Deep Blue Games Should Be with 36Billion Nodes
>searched else you don't give an accurate picture......Deep Blue might just have
>looked at the move Shredder or Deep Fritz thinks is better but Found a Bust
>after more time. Hence the reason it didn't play the so Called Better Move that
>you found with you're PC.

If it is the case than the logfile should tell use that Deeper blue changed it's
mind so we can compare the moves of chess programs with the moves of deeper blue
at least in cases that deeper blue did not change it's mind.


I also do not see why do you think that we should use the same number of nodes.

Deeper blue did not use null move pruning and I believe the algorithm of the
chess programs of today is superior(every top program that I know except Junior
is using null move and even Rebel started to use null move pruning).

Junior also has other pruning rules.

I do not believe that the deeper blue team were right in not using null move
when all the programmers of today are wrong.

Uri



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