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Subject: Re: Kasparov vs Deep Blue, DIEP not as bad as DeepBlue

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 04:40:16 10/31/01

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On October 31, 2001 at 07:04:50, José Carlos wrote:

>On October 30, 2001 at 14:49:42, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On October 30, 2001 at 13:32:31, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On October 30, 2001 at 07:24:39, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>
>>>>46:04 0 0 327781499 (111597415) 14 -0.078 Bh5-g6 Nf1-d2 Qb6-c7 a3-a4 Kg8-h7 Ne3-
>>>>c4 Nd7-b6 Nc4xa5 Bc5-b4 c2-c3 Bb4xa5 b3-b4 Nb6-d7 b4xa5 Nd7-c5 h3-h4
>>>>
>>>>Diep doesn't consider the bad move g5-g4.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Diep also doesn't _understand_ the position.  It thinks black is worse by
>>>a very tiny bit. (-.078).  That is a strong _understatement_ here.  Black is
>>>nearly losing.
>>
>>It is nor clear and the only way to test it is by games.
>>Can you win diep in a correspondence game after Diep's move Bg6?
>
>  That's absurd. Do you mean that I only can say who better in a position if I
>can win anyone in that position?. Do you mean that I can't say white is better
>if in the initial position I remove black pawn in f7 because Kasparov would win
>me with black?
>
>  José C.

1)I believe that you can at least avoid losing against everyone in a
correspondence game from the initial position when black has not f7.

kasparov may win you in a regular game from that position but not in a
correspondence game when both sides use computers

2)the relevant position was a position when part of the top programs say that
black is not worse.

It is not the case for the position that is similiar to the initial position
when black has no pawn at f7.

Uri



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