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Subject: Re: 2 very difficult and wild tactical combinations which programs can't see

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 11:25:24 11/02/01

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On November 02, 2001 at 12:25:30, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote:

>These two very interesting examples has caught my attention recently;
>As readers are well aware very few combinations occuring in games between
>master players are beyond the reach of computer analysis.Both these positions
>were tested on a 500 Mhz Computer running chessmaster 8000 and Fritz6 for 24
>hours with no result. Here is the backround and games in which the positions
>have occured.           In the game John Donaldson (White) vs Welling,G
>(Hertogenbosch 1999) After 1.Nf3 f5 2.g3 b6 3.Bg2 Bb7 4.0-0 Nf6 5.d4 g6 6.c4 Bg7
>7.Nc3 Ne4 8.Nxe4 Bxe4 9.b3 0-0 10.Bb2 e6 11.Qd2 Qf6 12.Ne1 Bxg2 13.Nxg2 Nc6
>14.Rad1 Nd8 15.Qc2 Nf7 16.c5 c6 17.Nf4 bxc5 18.Qxc5 Rfb8 19.Nd3 Qd8 20.Qc2 a5
>21.Nc5 Qe7 22.Rfe1 Rf8 23.Na4 f4 24.Qc5 Qd8 25.Kg2 Rb8 26.Nc3 Ng5 27.Ba3 Rf5
>28.Qc4 d5 29.Qd3 e5 30.dxe5 Bxe5 31.f3 fxg3 32.hxg3 Black found the amazing
>32....Bxg3!!! This is the move that the above mentioned programs were not
>able to find even after 24 hours .For the record the game ended 33.Kxg3 Nxf3!!!
>34.exf3 Qg5+ 35.Kf2 Qh4+ 36.Ke3 Qf4+ 37.Kf2 Qh2+ 38.Ke3 Re8+ 39.Ne4 Rxe4+
>White Resigned.
>
>The second position comes from the game Michal Krasenkow(White) vs Bodgan
>Grabarczk(Black) 57 Polish Championship,Plock,2000
>After 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 0-0 5.h3 c6 6.e5 Ne8 7.f4 d6 8.Nf3 f6
>9.Be3 fxe5 10.fxe5 Nc7  11.Qe2 Nd7 12.0-0-0 b5 13.h4 bxc4 14.h5 Nd5 15.hxg6 hxg6
>16.Nxd5 cxd5 17.Bh6 Bxh6+ 18.Rxh6 Kg7 .Here White found the incredible
>19.Rxg6+!!! This is the move that the above mentioned programs were not able
>to find even after 24 hours.It does lead needless to say to a win by force.
>For the record the game ended 19....Kxg6 20.Nh4+ Kh6 21.Qe3+ Kh7 22.Bd3+!!
>cxd3 23.Qxd3+ Kh8 24.Rh1 Nf6 25.exf6 Qc7+ 26.Kb1 Rxf6  27.Nf3+ Kg8
>28.Qh7+ Kf8 29.Qh8+ Kf7 30.Ng5+ Kg6 31.Qh5+ Black Resigned.
>
>
>     I am guessing that the programs failures in these two positions is due
>to the selective search algorithm rather that the depth of these two
>combinations .Anyway it should be mentioned that after feeding some moves of
>these combinations into the Computer the programs see that the winning side
>is actually winning and that the best moves were actually made.
>Since I do not own all the well known programs I am Wondering if there
>are programs that actually see the winning moves.Maybe Rebel,Junior 7
>Fritz7 Deep Fritz or some other program.Is there any program on EARTH
>that sees 32...Bxg3!!! in Game 1 or 19.Rxg6+!!! in Game 2??

Yace says:
[D]1r1q2k1/7p/2p3p1/p2pbrn1/8/BPNQ1PP1/P3P1K1/3RR3 b - - 0 1
Stored 8 learned positions into hash table
solution
no solutions
usetime = 998.00, mintime = 998.00 maxtime = 998.00 tl 998.00 ml 0
        13   0.001  -0.25  1t  1...Bxc3 2.Qxc3 {-10}
        87   0.001   0.21  1t  1...Qf6 {0}
       123   0.002   0.21  1.  1...Qf6 {0}
       368   0.003   0.29  2t  1...Qf6 2.Bb2 {0}
      1422   0.007   0.29  2.  1...Qf6 2.Bb2 {0}
      2184   0.010   0.38  3t  1...Qf6 2.Rc1 Bd4 {0}
      3544   0.014   0.38  3.  1...Qf6 2.Rc1 Bd4 {0}
      6184   0.023   0.19  4t  1...Qf6 2.Rc1 d4 3.Qc4+ Kh8 {0}
     15236   0.047   0.19  4.  1...Qf6 2.Rc1 d4 3.Qc4+ Kh8 {0}
     23760   0.070   0.24  5t  1...Qf6 2.Rc1 Bd4 3.Be7 Qe5 {0}
     57160   0.140   0.24  5.  1...Qf6 2.Rc1 Bd4 3.Be7 Qe5 {0}
    133184   0.353   0.13  6t  1...Qf6 2.Na4 Bc7 3.Bb2 Qd6 4.f4 {0}
    291203   0.701   0.14  6t+ 1...Qc7 2.f4 Bxc3 3.fxg5 Bxe1 4.Rxe1 {150}
    328864   0.807   0.30  6t  1...Qc7 2.g4 Rf4 3.Rh1 Re8 4.Rd2 {0}
    585510   1.449   0.30  6.  1...Qc7 2.g4 Rf4 3.Rh1 Re8 4.Rd2 {0}
    735747   1.806   0.09  7t  1...Qc7 2.f4 Bxc3 3.Qxc3 Ne4 4.Qd3 c5 5.Bb2
                               {-10}
    850063   2.086   0.10  7t+ 1...Qf6 2.Na4 Bc7 3.Be7 Qxe7 4.f4 {350}
   1182205   2.947   0.19  7t  1...Qf6 2.Rc1 d4 3.Qc4+ Qf7 4.Nd1 Qxc4 5.Rxc4
                               {0}
   1853790   4.429   0.20  7t+ 1...Ne6 2.Rg1 Qg5 3.Qxf5 gxf5 4.f4 Nxf4+ 5.Kh1
                               {581}
   2498433   6.056   0.24  7t  1...Ne6 2.Bc1 Nc5 3.Qc2 Qc7 4.Ba3 Ne6 {0}
   2941780   7.163   0.24  7.  1...Ne6 2.Bc1 Nc5 3.Qc2 Qc7 4.Ba3 Ne6 {0}
   3930687   9.726   0.18  8t  1...Ne6 2.Bc1 Qf6 3.Na4 Rf8 4.Bh6 Rf7 5.Rh1 {0}
   4647556  11.315   0.19  8t+ 1...Qc7 2.f4 Bxc3 3.Qxc3 Ne4 4.Bc5 Nxc3 5.Kg1
                               {991}
   4861027  11.821   0.32  8t  1...Qc7 2.f4 Bxc3 3.Qxc3 Ne4 4.Qc2 c5 5.Bb2 Qf7
                               {-10}
   6558238  15.468   0.32  8.  1...Qc7 2.f4 Bxc3 3.Qxc3 Ne4 4.Qc2 c5 5.Bb2 Qf7
                               {-10}
   7433510  17.482   0.15  9t  1...Qc7 2.f4 Bxc3 3.Qxc3 Ne4 4.Qd3 c5 5.Bb2 c4
                               6.Qf3 {-10}
  10159892  24.059   0.16  9t+ 1...Qf6 2.Na4 Ne6 3.Bc1 Rf8 4.e4H Rxf3H 5.Qxf3H
                               Qxf3+H 6.Kg1H {HT} {581}
  11627840  27.813   0.27  9t  1...Qf6 2.Na4 Ne6 3.Bc1 Rf8 4.Bd2 Qd8 5.Bh6
                               R8f7H {0}
  19200075  44.299   0.27  9.  1...Qf6 2.Na4 Ne6 3.Bc1 Rf8 4.Bd2 Qd8 5.Bh6
                               R8f7 {0}
  32496887  1:16.8   0.53 10t  1...Qf6 2.Na4 Ne6 3.Kf2 Qg5 4.Rg1 Re8 5.Rg2 Nd4
                               6.Kg1 {0}
  52664886  2:01.3   0.53 10.  1...Qf6 2.Na4 Ne6 3.Kf2 Qg5 4.Rg1 Re8 5.Rg2 Nd4
                               6.Kg1 {0}
  94435461  3:44.9   0.82 11t  1...Qf6 2.Na4 Ne6 3.Qd2 Bxg3 4.Kxg3 Nf4 5.Bc5
                               Qg5+ 6.Kf2 Qh4+ 7.Kf1 d4 8.Qxd4 Qh3+ 9.Kf2 Qg2+
                               10.Ke3H Re8+H 11.Kd2H {HT} {-350}
 172229037  6:35.5   0.82 11.  1...Qf6 2.Na4 Ne6 3.Qd2 Bxg3 4.Kxg3 Nf4 5.Bc5
                               Qg5+ 6.Kf2 Qh4+ 7.Kf1 d4 8.Qxd4 Qh3+ 9.Kf2 Qg2+
                               10.Ke3 Re8+ 11.Kd2 {HT} {-350}
 379819323 14:41.9   0.94 12t  1...Qf6 2.g4 Ne6 3.Bc1 Rf4 4.Nxd5 cxd5 5.Qxd5
                               Rd4 6.Qxa5 Rf8 7.Bh6 Nf4+ 8.Kf2 {100}
 431331169 16:38.0   0.94 12u. 1...Qf6 2.g4 Ne6 3.Bc1 Rf4 4.Nxd5 cxd5 5.Qxd5
                               Rd4 6.Qxa5 Rf8 7.Bh6 Nf4+ 8.Kf2 {100}
431331169 Nodes, 36.55% Leavenodes, 432199 Nodes/sec
297945144 eval, 24.98% score, 1883843604 genmoves, 11.56% captures le 322/366
ext: pawn 45335, rcp 811195, chk 15954329, repchk 4398871, null 92695, prune
16843801
htable: 339767500 store, 0 rejected, 418083192 probe, 25.5% f/p, 31.3% f/s
entries 24999999 age 0 renew 0
egtb probes 0, found 0 max_depth 46
[D]r1bq1r2/p2np1k1/3p2pR/3pP3/2pP4/5N2/PP2Q1P1/2KR1B2 w - - 0 1
Stored 8 learned positions into hash table
solution
no solutions
usetime = 998.00, mintime = 998.00 maxtime = 998.00 tl 998.00 ml 0
        13   0.001  -3.98  1t  1.Rxg6+ Kxg6 {-500}
        26   0.001  -3.01  1t  1.exd6 Kxh6 2.dxe7 {-420}
        71   0.002  -0.19  1t  1.Qe3 dxe5 2.dxe5 {-80}
       104   0.002  -0.17  1t  1.Qd2 dxe5 2.dxe5 {-80}
       158   0.003   0.03  1t  1.Rh1 dxe5 2.Nxe5 {-80}
       211   0.003   0.03  1.  1.Rh1 dxe5 2.Nxe5 {-80}
       280   0.004  -0.08  2t  1.Rh1 Rb8 {-80}
       834   0.006  -0.08  2.  1.Rh1 Rb8 {-80}
      1689   0.010  -0.20  3t  1.Rh1 Rh8 2.Rxh8 {420}
      2163   0.012  -0.19  3t+ 1.Qd2 Rf6
      2551   0.014  -0.17  3t  1.Qd2 dxe5 2.dxe5 {-80}
      8779   0.028  -0.15  3t+ 1.Rh4 Kg8
      9532   0.031  -0.04  3t  1.Rh4 Rh8 2.Rf4 {-80}
     10148   0.033  -0.04  3.  1.Rh4 Rh8 2.Rf4 {-80}
     13320   0.044  -0.30  4t  1.Rh4 dxe5 2.dxe5 Qa5 3.Kb1 {-80}
     14006   0.048  -0.29  4t+ 1.Qd2 dxe5 2.dxe5 Rb8 3.Kb1 {-80}
     16428   0.056  -0.21  4t  1.Qd2 dxe5 2.Qg5 Qb6 {-160}
     27841   0.086  -0.20  4t+ 1.exd6 exd6 2.Rh3 Rb8 3.Re1 {-80}
     28022   0.087  -0.20  4t  1.exd6 exd6 2.Rh3 Rb8H 3.Re1H {-80}
     49177   0.130  -0.20  4.  1.exd6 exd6 2.Rh3 Rb8 3.Re1 {-80}
     79128   0.202  -0.31  5t  1.exd6 exd6 2.Qe3 Rh8 3.Rh3 Rb8 {-80}
     81758   0.211  -0.30  5t+ 1.Qd2 Rxf3 2.gxf3 g5 3.Qxg5+ Kf7 {160}
     93529   0.243  -0.21  5t  1.Qd2 dxe5 2.Qg5 Qb6 3.dxe5 {-80}
    141241   0.336  -0.21  5.  1.Qd2 dxe5 2.Qg5 Qb6 3.dxe5 {-80}
    203588   0.488  -0.24  6t  1.Qd2 dxe5 2.dxe5 Rb8 3.e6 Nc5 4.Ne5 {-80}
    241345   0.581  -0.23  6t+ 1.exd6 exd6 2.Qe3 Rh8 3.Rxh8 Qxh8 4.Kb1 {-80}
    409303   0.934  -0.21  6t  1.exd6 Rxf3 2.dxe7 Qe8 3.Qxf3 Kxh6 4.Qxd5H Rb8H
                               {-180}
    762964   1.722  -0.21  6.  1.exd6 Rxf3 2.dxe7 Qe8 3.Qxf3 Kxh6 4.Qxd5 Rb8
                               {-180}
   1278028   2.851  -0.26  7t  1.exd6 exd6 2.Qd2 Rb8 3.Be2 Qb6 4.Rdh1 Kf6 {-80}
   1384843   3.166  -0.25  7t+ 1.Qd2 dxe5 2.dxe5 Rb8 3.e6 Nc5 4.Ne5 Rf3 {-80}
   1679273   3.855  -0.23  7t  1.Qd2 dxe5 2.dxe5 e6 3.Be2 Rb8 4.Rf1 Rf5 {-80}
   2667113   6.090  -0.23  7.  1.Qd2 dxe5 2.dxe5 e6 3.Be2 Rb8 4.Rf1 Rf5 {-80}
   4248050   9.711  -0.07  8t  1.Qd2 dxe5 2.dxe5 e6 3.Be2 Rh8 4.Rdh1 Rxh6
                               5.Qxh6+ Kf7 {-80}
   7712656  17.047  -0.07  8.  1.Qd2 dxe5 2.dxe5 e6 3.Be2 Rh8 4.Rdh1 Rxh6
                               5.Qxh6+ Kf7 {-80}
  14384692  31.851  -0.06  9t  1.Qd2 Rh8 2.Rxh8 Qxh8 3.exd6 exd6 4.Re1 Qd8H
                               5.Kd1H {HT}
  19467647  44.250  -0.05  9t+ 1.Qe3 dxe5 2.Rxg6+ Kxg6 3.Qg5+ Kf7 4.Qf5+ Nf6
                               5.Nxe5+ Kg7 6.Qg5+ Kh7 7.Bd3+ Bf5 8.Rh1+ Nh5
                               9.Bxf5+ Rxf5 10.Qxf5+ Kg7 {0}
  21770617  49.616   0.00  9t  1.Qe3 dxe5 2.Rxg6+ Kxg6 3.Qg5+ Kf7 4.Qf5+ Nf6
                               5.Nxe5+ Kg7 6.Qg5+ Kh8 7.Ng6+ Kg8 8.Ne5+H Kh8H
                               9.Ng6+H Kg8H 10.Ne5+H Kh8HR {-500}
  29672030  1:05.4   0.00  9.  1.Qe3 dxe5 2.Rxg6+ Kxg6 3.Qg5+ Kf7 4.Qf5+ Nf6
                               5.Nxe5+ Kg7 6.Qg5+ Kh8 7.Ng6+ Kg8 8.Ne5+ Kh8
                               9.Ng6+ Kg8 10.Ne5+ Kh8 {-500}
  45747064  1:43.7   0.04 10t  1.Qe3 dxe5 2.Rxg6+ Kxg6 3.Qg5+ Kf7 4.Qf5+ Kg7
                               5.Qg4+ Kf6 6.dxe5+ Nxe5 7.Qf4+ Kg7 8.Qxe5+ Rf6
                               9.Rxd5 Qb6H 10.Bxc4H {HT} {-80}
  82322554  3:00.8   0.04 10.  1.Qe3 dxe5 2.Rxg6+ Kxg6 3.Qg5+ Kf7 4.Qf5+ Kg7
                               5.Qg4+ Kf6 6.dxe5+ Nxe5 7.Qf4+ Kg7 8.Qxe5+ Rf6
                               9.Rxd5 Qb6 10.Bxc4 {HT} {-80}
 119552080  4:38.8   0.44 11++ 1.Qe3 dxe5 2.Rxg6+ Kxg6 3.Qg5+ Kf7 4.Qf5+ Kg7
                               5.Qg4+ Kf6 6.Bxc4 Qc7 7.Nxe5 Nxe5 8.Rf1+ Nf3
                               9.Rxf3+ Bf5 10.Rxf5+ Ke6 11.Rxf8+ Kd6 {430}




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