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Subject: Re: Where will the new Gambit Tiger 15 appear ??

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 06:58:42 11/03/01

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On November 02, 2001 at 13:58:37, Christophe Theron wrote:

>On November 02, 2001 at 00:57:36, Dr. Franklin wrote:
>
>>On November 01, 2001 at 15:27:59, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>
>>>On November 01, 2001 at 15:06:44, ERIQ wrote:
>>>
>>>>Will it be win xp, palm, pocketpc, mac x, linux, or all of the above ? and will
>>>>It be duel ? my wish would be duel under all flavors of unix for stability
>>>>ie.linux, mac x, freebsd etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>There will not be a "Gambit Tiger 15".
>>>
>>>From version 15 on, it's Chess Tiger. What you call "Gambit" is now the default
>>>personality of Chess Tiger.
>>>
>>>A personality emulating the more quiet style of Chess Tiger 14 will be provided.
>>>
>>>But the product name will be "Chess Tiger 15".
>>>
>>>After so many years, my program now deserves the name "Tiger" because of its
>>>agressiveness. :)
>>>
>>>For which platform will it be available first?
>>>
>>>Chess Tiger for Palm is likely to be the first product to feature the Tiger 15
>>>engine.
>>>
>>>Actually as soon as the Tiger 15 engine has been tested and is reliable it will
>>>be sent for release in all products (PC all licensees, Palm and PocketPC). But
>>>as the Palm version has a shorter distribution lag (because it is sold directly
>>>through the Internet), it is likely to be available just a few days after the
>>>Tiger 15 engine is ready.
>>>
>>>When? Don't ask. :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    Christophe
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello Chris
>>
>>
>>  I am not doubting your expertise, but how exactly would a Programmer actually
>>know if his program has improved? Actually I can see no difference between
>>fritz6 or Fritz7 since I am a relatively weak player, not Master strength. When
>>you Develope your program i am wondering if You consult Master level players?
>
>
>
>Sometimes I get an advice from a strong player, but human players cannot tell me
>if my program has become stronger or not.
>
>If you ask a human player you'll just get a subjective answer because here we
>are talking of 30-50 elo points improvement of an already very strong opponent.
>That's not something that can be detected by playing a few games against it.
>
>Part of the work of chess programming is developping a way of making sure that a
>change in the program is really an improvement. When you see a strong chess
>program, you can be sure that its programmer has found a good way of testing the
>improvements.
>
>Chess programmers who are not willing to invest a large part of their time
>developping this testing method end up being unable to improve their programs.
>Because when a program is already very strong, any change has equal chances to
>make it slightly stronger or slightly weaker. There is no way to tell if a
>change will work or not before you test it very extensively.

I am sure that it is truth for part of the changes but not for every change.

If you change a parameter in the evaluation or add knowledge in the evaluation
or change the search rules then I agree but it is also possible that you
discover a way to make the program 1% faster and in this case you do not need a
lot of testing and the only thing that you need to test is that you have no new
bugs.

Uri
>
>
>
>    Christophe



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