Author: Frank Quisinsky
Date: 06:57:01 11/05/01
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On November 05, 2001 at 05:56:48, José Carlos wrote: >On November 05, 2001 at 03:40:36, Frank Quisinsky wrote: > >>Hi, >> >>the next big event and Fritz cann't win. >>In the most magazines where I can read information about Fritz-Kramnik I must >>read Fritz is the best program in the World. But our Fritz can not win the big >>tourneys. >> >>A pity: >>We have programs (I am to 70% sure) witch have a better chance against Kramnik >>with longer time controls. > >>Chess Tiger ... >>Shredder ... > > I don't like Fritz, and I agree with the above, but don't forget Fritz is >number one in the SSDF list for a long time > >>Gandalf ... > > Aha! joking again, you're so funny... > You'd better write 'Rebel' in your list. Rebel gets always good results in >these events where programmers are involved. Also, Rebel has proved to be very >good against humans: playing against them. > Gandalf has won nothing, hasn't played humans, is not top in SSDF. Gandalf is >just another strong program like Crafty, Phalanx, Yace... Very good, but not a >top program at all. > >>and now the World must see Fritz (not the 4x computer chess world champion >>Shredder), a program which cann't win the most of big computer chess events. > > This is true. Also the way Fritz was selected was unfair and, I'd say, stupid. > >>GM Keene say Fritz is the best program in the World. >>Is GM Keene a grandmaster or have Keene tomatos on his eyes. > > Everyone can make a mistake. It remainds me of your claim about Gandalf. > But it's not important what program anyone believes is the strongets in the >world. There must be a competition, declare a winner, and that winner will be >the strongest in the world until the next competition. This is the fair way to >do it. Maybe not scientifically perfect, but fair in terms of competition. > >>What a pity ... >> >>But all this is not very important, the match Kramnik - Fritz is also boring if >>I look in my computer chess kalendar with the results of the last years. >> >>Now Chess Tiger won the Dutch-ch 2001 and I will say ... Christiophe we all know >>how strong is your program and I will say ... >> >>Congratulations > > I agree. > > José C. > >>Best >>Frank >> >> >>I wait of tourneys where Fritz can win. >>So it is better for me to understand a grandmaster with the name "Keene". Hi, make analyses with longer time controls with all top programs. You can see that the best analyses comes from Gandalf. In all test suites Gandalf have top results, Gandalf found the most of moves in 5-10 minutes on stronger hardware. Other programs in different position in 1 second or not in 30 minutes :-)) Gandalf found moves not in 1 second he must calculated and found the most critical moves in 5-10 minutes on very fast hardware. Look in the SSDF Gandalf on 450MHz and Gandalf on 1.2GHz. And now look in your analyses with 10 minutes and you can see what I say now a long time. For me is Gandalf with longer time controls one of the best chess programs. Also very strong is Shredder 5 and Junior 7, Chess Tiger 14.0 and Fritz. Or better look in my tourney: Amateurs vs. Professionals with 40 in 10 and you see that Fritz is clear stronger then all others. Now look in the results from my CCE tourney and you can see the different to the others is not to hight. And if you now look in long time analyses I will see what you write about Gandalf, the program of the future. The problem is the endgame, here are other top programs better. I hope Steen made Gandalf stronger. Is Gandalf 5 50 ELO stronger as Gandalf 4, so Gandalf is at the moment on Athlon 1.4 and tournament time the strongest program and for sure is version 4 with Shredder the strongest program for long time analyses. I have here clear the best results with Shredder and Gandalf. Believe me, I can used x computers for an test and I used x computer. I know what I say ... Best Frank
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