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Subject: Re: Congratulations to Christophe and Ed ...

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 07:48:18 11/05/01

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On November 05, 2001 at 09:57:01, Frank Quisinsky wrote:

>On November 05, 2001 at 05:56:48, José Carlos wrote:
>
>>On November 05, 2001 at 03:40:36, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>the next big event and Fritz cann't win.
>>>In the most magazines where I can read information about Fritz-Kramnik I must
>>>read Fritz is the best program in the World. But our Fritz can not win the big
>>>tourneys.
>>>
>>>A pity:
>>>We have programs (I am to 70% sure) witch have a better chance against Kramnik
>>>with longer time controls.
>>
>>>Chess Tiger ...
>>>Shredder ...
>>
>>  I don't like Fritz, and I agree with the above, but don't forget Fritz is
>>number one in the SSDF list for a long time
>>
>>>Gandalf ...
>>
>>  Aha! joking again, you're so funny...
>>  You'd better write 'Rebel' in your list. Rebel gets always good results in
>>these events where programmers are involved. Also, Rebel has proved to be very
>>good against humans: playing against them.
>>  Gandalf has won nothing, hasn't played humans, is not top in SSDF. Gandalf is
>>just another strong program like Crafty, Phalanx, Yace... Very good, but not a
>>top program at all.
>>
>>>and now the World must see Fritz (not the 4x computer chess world champion
>>>Shredder), a program which cann't win the most of big computer chess events.
>>
>>  This is true. Also the way Fritz was selected was unfair and, I'd say, stupid.
>>
>>>GM Keene say Fritz is the best program in the World.
>>>Is GM Keene a grandmaster or have Keene tomatos on his eyes.
>>
>>  Everyone can make a mistake. It remainds me of your claim about Gandalf.
>>  But it's not important what program anyone believes is the strongets in the
>>world. There must be a competition, declare a winner, and that winner will be
>>the strongest in the world until the next competition. This is the fair way to
>>do it. Maybe not scientifically perfect, but fair in terms of competition.
>>
>>>What a pity ...
>>>
>>>But all this is not very important, the match Kramnik - Fritz is also boring if
>>>I look in my computer chess kalendar with the results of the last years.
>>>
>>>Now Chess Tiger won the Dutch-ch 2001 and I will say ... Christiophe we all know
>>>how strong is your program and I will say ...
>>>
>>>Congratulations
>>
>>  I agree.
>>
>>  José C.
>>
>>>Best
>>>Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>I wait of tourneys where Fritz can win.
>>>So it is better for me to understand a grandmaster with the name "Keene".
>
>Hi,
>
>make analyses with longer time controls with all top programs.
>You can see that the best analyses comes from Gandalf.

I do not agree about it.
I have limited experience with gandalf but I did not get this impression.

I use mainly Deep Fritz or tiger or yace.


>
>In all test suites Gandalf have top results, Gandalf found the most of moves in
>5-10 minutes on stronger hardware. Other programs in different position in 1
>second or not in 30 minutes :-)) Gandalf found moves not in 1 second he must
>calculated and found the most critical moves in 5-10 minutes on very fast
>hardware.

I remember that gandalf could not solve nolot number 2 even after some hours
when part of the other programs including Deep Fritz could solve it.

>
>Look in the SSDF
>Gandalf on 450MHz and Gandalf on 1.2GHz.

It proves nothing.

Gandalf earns more speed from 1.2GHz based on a post of jouni uski that I
remember.

We need rating on the same hardware at different time control and not under
chessbase because gandalf has problems under chessbase at blitz but I remember
good results of gandalf at blitz under winboard.

Uri



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