Author: Uri Blass
Date: 07:48:18 11/05/01
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On November 05, 2001 at 09:57:01, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >On November 05, 2001 at 05:56:48, José Carlos wrote: > >>On November 05, 2001 at 03:40:36, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >> >>>Hi, >>> >>>the next big event and Fritz cann't win. >>>In the most magazines where I can read information about Fritz-Kramnik I must >>>read Fritz is the best program in the World. But our Fritz can not win the big >>>tourneys. >>> >>>A pity: >>>We have programs (I am to 70% sure) witch have a better chance against Kramnik >>>with longer time controls. >> >>>Chess Tiger ... >>>Shredder ... >> >> I don't like Fritz, and I agree with the above, but don't forget Fritz is >>number one in the SSDF list for a long time >> >>>Gandalf ... >> >> Aha! joking again, you're so funny... >> You'd better write 'Rebel' in your list. Rebel gets always good results in >>these events where programmers are involved. Also, Rebel has proved to be very >>good against humans: playing against them. >> Gandalf has won nothing, hasn't played humans, is not top in SSDF. Gandalf is >>just another strong program like Crafty, Phalanx, Yace... Very good, but not a >>top program at all. >> >>>and now the World must see Fritz (not the 4x computer chess world champion >>>Shredder), a program which cann't win the most of big computer chess events. >> >> This is true. Also the way Fritz was selected was unfair and, I'd say, stupid. >> >>>GM Keene say Fritz is the best program in the World. >>>Is GM Keene a grandmaster or have Keene tomatos on his eyes. >> >> Everyone can make a mistake. It remainds me of your claim about Gandalf. >> But it's not important what program anyone believes is the strongets in the >>world. There must be a competition, declare a winner, and that winner will be >>the strongest in the world until the next competition. This is the fair way to >>do it. Maybe not scientifically perfect, but fair in terms of competition. >> >>>What a pity ... >>> >>>But all this is not very important, the match Kramnik - Fritz is also boring if >>>I look in my computer chess kalendar with the results of the last years. >>> >>>Now Chess Tiger won the Dutch-ch 2001 and I will say ... Christiophe we all know >>>how strong is your program and I will say ... >>> >>>Congratulations >> >> I agree. >> >> José C. >> >>>Best >>>Frank >>> >>> >>>I wait of tourneys where Fritz can win. >>>So it is better for me to understand a grandmaster with the name "Keene". > >Hi, > >make analyses with longer time controls with all top programs. >You can see that the best analyses comes from Gandalf. I do not agree about it. I have limited experience with gandalf but I did not get this impression. I use mainly Deep Fritz or tiger or yace. > >In all test suites Gandalf have top results, Gandalf found the most of moves in >5-10 minutes on stronger hardware. Other programs in different position in 1 >second or not in 30 minutes :-)) Gandalf found moves not in 1 second he must >calculated and found the most critical moves in 5-10 minutes on very fast >hardware. I remember that gandalf could not solve nolot number 2 even after some hours when part of the other programs including Deep Fritz could solve it. > >Look in the SSDF >Gandalf on 450MHz and Gandalf on 1.2GHz. It proves nothing. Gandalf earns more speed from 1.2GHz based on a post of jouni uski that I remember. We need rating on the same hardware at different time control and not under chessbase because gandalf has problems under chessbase at blitz but I remember good results of gandalf at blitz under winboard. Uri
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