Author: Frank Quisinsky
Date: 07:56:46 11/05/01
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On November 05, 2001 at 10:48:18, Uri Blass wrote: >On November 05, 2001 at 09:57:01, Frank Quisinsky wrote: > >>On November 05, 2001 at 05:56:48, José Carlos wrote: >> >>>On November 05, 2001 at 03:40:36, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >>> >>>>Hi, >>>> >>>>the next big event and Fritz cann't win. >>>>In the most magazines where I can read information about Fritz-Kramnik I must >>>>read Fritz is the best program in the World. But our Fritz can not win the big >>>>tourneys. >>>> >>>>A pity: >>>>We have programs (I am to 70% sure) witch have a better chance against Kramnik >>>>with longer time controls. >>> >>>>Chess Tiger ... >>>>Shredder ... >>> >>> I don't like Fritz, and I agree with the above, but don't forget Fritz is >>>number one in the SSDF list for a long time >>> >>>>Gandalf ... >>> >>> Aha! joking again, you're so funny... >>> You'd better write 'Rebel' in your list. Rebel gets always good results in >>>these events where programmers are involved. Also, Rebel has proved to be very >>>good against humans: playing against them. >>> Gandalf has won nothing, hasn't played humans, is not top in SSDF. Gandalf is >>>just another strong program like Crafty, Phalanx, Yace... Very good, but not a >>>top program at all. >>> >>>>and now the World must see Fritz (not the 4x computer chess world champion >>>>Shredder), a program which cann't win the most of big computer chess events. >>> >>> This is true. Also the way Fritz was selected was unfair and, I'd say, stupid. >>> >>>>GM Keene say Fritz is the best program in the World. >>>>Is GM Keene a grandmaster or have Keene tomatos on his eyes. >>> >>> Everyone can make a mistake. It remainds me of your claim about Gandalf. >>> But it's not important what program anyone believes is the strongets in the >>>world. There must be a competition, declare a winner, and that winner will be >>>the strongest in the world until the next competition. This is the fair way to >>>do it. Maybe not scientifically perfect, but fair in terms of competition. >>> >>>>What a pity ... >>>> >>>>But all this is not very important, the match Kramnik - Fritz is also boring if >>>>I look in my computer chess kalendar with the results of the last years. >>>> >>>>Now Chess Tiger won the Dutch-ch 2001 and I will say ... Christiophe we all know >>>>how strong is your program and I will say ... >>>> >>>>Congratulations >>> >>> I agree. >>> >>> José C. >>> >>>>Best >>>>Frank >>>> >>>> >>>>I wait of tourneys where Fritz can win. >>>>So it is better for me to understand a grandmaster with the name "Keene". >> >>Hi, >> >>make analyses with longer time controls with all top programs. >>You can see that the best analyses comes from Gandalf. > >I do not agree about it. >I have limited experience with gandalf but I did not get this impression. > >I use mainly Deep Fritz or tiger or yace. > > >> >>In all test suites Gandalf have top results, Gandalf found the most of moves in >>5-10 minutes on stronger hardware. Other programs in different position in 1 >>second or not in 30 minutes :-)) Gandalf found moves not in 1 second he must >>calculated and found the most critical moves in 5-10 minutes on very fast >>hardware. > >I remember that gandalf could not solve nolot number 2 even after some hours >when part of the other programs including Deep Fritz could solve it. > >> >>Look in the SSDF >>Gandalf on 450MHz and Gandalf on 1.2GHz. > >It proves nothing. > >Gandalf earns more speed from 1.2GHz based on a post of jouni uski that I >remember. > >We need rating on the same hardware at different time control and not under >chessbase because gandalf has problems under chessbase at blitz but I remember >good results of gandalf at blitz under winboard. > >Uri Hi Uri, I think Gandalf is one of the 4/111 WinBoard engines which works fine with ponder and WinBoard adapter under Chess-Base GUIs. 4 from 111 engines works fine with ponder after so many years. - Gandalf - Quark - Patzer - Yace I cann't not write Gandalf is bad if my results are good, sorry! Look in all from my databases which are available. Maybe a reason is ponder. I played all games with ponder the most other people without ponder. I have not an other idea ... Which of all top programs plays the most interesting and fastest games. Search in my databases with x thousend games. Look in test suites, or make a little statistics with the time for solve all the problems in test suites. I can make what I will, I have all the time the same results and can not say any other things. Best Frank
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