Author: Mark Young
Date: 00:31:10 05/31/98
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On May 31, 1998 at 01:24:12, Hristo wrote: >On May 29, 1998 at 12:56:18, blass uri wrote: > >>On May 29, 1998 at 05:01:53, Dennis Breuker wrote: >> >>>In http://www.chesscenter.com/twic/michael53.html Michael Greengard >>>gives some interesting analysis for the third game in the >>>Kramnik-Shirov match. >>> >>>This is the game in PGN: >>> >>>[Event "WCC Cand final"] >>>[Site "Cazorla ESP"] >>>[Date "1998.05.27"] >>>[Round "03"] >>>[White "Kramnik,V"] >>>[Black "Shirov,A"] >>>[Result "1/2-1/2"] >>>[ECO "D88"] >>>[WhiteElo "2790"] >>>[BlackElo "2710"] >>> >>>1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5. e4 Nxc3 6. bxc3 Bg7 7. Bc4 >>>O-O 8. Ne2 c5 9. O-O Nc6 10. Be3 Bg4 11. f3 Na5 12. Bxf7+ Rxf7 13. fxg4 >>>Rxf1+ 14. Kxf1 cxd4 15. cxd4 e5 16. d5 Nc4 17. Qd3 Nxe3+ 18. Qxe3 Qh4 >>>19. h3 Bh6 20. Qd3 Rf8+ 21. Kg1 Qf2+ 22. Kh1 Qe3 23. Qxe3 Bxe3 24. Rd1 >>>Rf2 25. Ng1 Kf7 26. Rd3 Bb6 27. Rf3+ Ke7 28. Rxf2 Bxf2 29. Nf3 Kd6 30. >>>g3 Bxg3 31. Kg2 Bf4 32. Kf2 Kc5 33. Ke2 b5 34. Kd3 1/2-1/2 >>> >>>Here I quote the relevant part of what Michael Greengard wrote: >>> >>> >>>------------- <begin quote> >>>30.g3 looks like a blunder, tossing a pawn and allowing the bishop to >>>protect the weak e-pawn, but upon deeper inspection White has nothing >>>else. 30.Ng5 is the obvious move, winning a pawn and, coincidentally, >>>almost losing the game! You computer analysis addicts out there should >>>toss your Pentium 400 MHz and ChesSpank 6000 out the window on this one >>>as I'm sure they just LOVE 30.Ng5! I'm still looking at side lines, but >>>it's very hard for White to save the game as the queenside pawns are >>>very fast if the knight wanders that far away. (Good thing to remember >>>in your own games. Pawns are slow in the middlegame, but are devilishly >>>fast in endgames vs. knights!) >>> >>>While Black is in trouble if he tries to defend (Black loses after >>>30.Ng5? 30...h6 or 30...b5 and just barely draws (?) after 30...Ke7), he >>>can go on the offensive with 30...Kc5! and it takes some serious >>>acrobatics for White to even draw this position. >>> >>>[ANALYSIS LINE: 30.Ng5?] >>> >>>30...Kc5! 31.Nxh7 b5 32.g3 a5 >>> >>>(32...Bxg3? Slowing down the queenside pawns by a crucial tempo and >>>allowing the white king to gain several important tempi hitting the >>>bishop. 33.Nf8 a5 34.Kg2 Be1 35.Nxg6 Kd6 36.Kf1! Bc3 37.h4 b4 38.Ke2 >>>winning) >>> >>>33.Kg2 Bd4 >> >>fritz5 prefered 33...a4 with evaluation of equality after 7 minutes >> >> 34.Ng5 >>> >>>(This crazy line which appears to save White is probably better! Lots of >>>analysis needed here: 34.h4 b4 35.h5 gxh5 36.gxh5 a4 37.Nf6 Be3 38.d6 >>>Bg5 39.Ng4 >> >>now 39...Kxd6 wins for black >> >> >>Uri > > >Hold on .. :))) am I missing something here ...seems like white are >winning after: (BTW I'm not going to list all possible combinations ... >too much :)) >30. Ng5 Kc5(?!) 31. Nxh7 b5 32. g3 a5 33. Kg2 Bd4 34. h4 b4 35. h5 gxh5 >36. g5(!) a4 37.g6 b3 38. axb axb 39. g7 b2 40. g8Q b1Q 41. Qf8+ Kc4 42. >Qf3 and it seems like only white can win here ... >if 36. ... Kd6 37. g6 Ke7 38. d6+ Ke6 39. g7 Kf7 40. Nf6 Kxg7 41. Nd5 +- > >Now there are a lot of different combinations here ... :) >if 36. ... Be3 37. g6 Bh6 38. Ng5 a4 39. Nf3 b3 40. axb a3 41. Ne1 a2 >42. Nc2 Kd6 43. b4 Ke7 44. Kf3 Kf6 45. Ke2! Bf8 46. b5 Bc5 47. Kd3 kxg6 >48. Kc4 Bd4 49. d6 Kf6 50. Kd5 a1Q 51. Nxa1 Bxa1 52. Kc6 +- >This is just the main line, or so it seems. White have advantage! no?! >If computers play this move *they*(the computers) might lose not because >of >30. Ng5(!?) but because the position is fairly complicated, and the >smallest >mistake would be deadly. Perhaps 30.g3 is a blunder instead of a win >white >have to fight for a draw. >Computers playing chess have many problems, but I din't think this move >is one of them !!! Better try game #2 of the last match between KG and >DB !!! > >Bets Regards. >Hristo Could a strong player take a look at the lines here. I found the same line of play. And it looks like it may win. Is 30 Ng5 losing? Move 36 g5 -- seems to win the game.
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