Author: Frank Quisinsky
Date: 09:21:49 11/05/01
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On November 05, 2001 at 11:59:06, Uri Blass wrote: >On November 05, 2001 at 10:56:46, Frank Quisinsky wrote: > >>On November 05, 2001 at 10:48:18, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On November 05, 2001 at 09:57:01, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >>> >>>>On November 05, 2001 at 05:56:48, José Carlos wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 05, 2001 at 03:40:36, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>>the next big event and Fritz cann't win. >>>>>>In the most magazines where I can read information about Fritz-Kramnik I must >>>>>>read Fritz is the best program in the World. But our Fritz can not win the big >>>>>>tourneys. >>>>>> >>>>>>A pity: >>>>>>We have programs (I am to 70% sure) witch have a better chance against Kramnik >>>>>>with longer time controls. >>>>> >>>>>>Chess Tiger ... >>>>>>Shredder ... >>>>> >>>>> I don't like Fritz, and I agree with the above, but don't forget Fritz is >>>>>number one in the SSDF list for a long time >>>>> >>>>>>Gandalf ... >>>>> >>>>> Aha! joking again, you're so funny... >>>>> You'd better write 'Rebel' in your list. Rebel gets always good results in >>>>>these events where programmers are involved. Also, Rebel has proved to be very >>>>>good against humans: playing against them. >>>>> Gandalf has won nothing, hasn't played humans, is not top in SSDF. Gandalf is >>>>>just another strong program like Crafty, Phalanx, Yace... Very good, but not a >>>>>top program at all. >>>>> >>>>>>and now the World must see Fritz (not the 4x computer chess world champion >>>>>>Shredder), a program which cann't win the most of big computer chess events. >>>>> >>>>> This is true. Also the way Fritz was selected was unfair and, I'd say, stupid. >>>>> >>>>>>GM Keene say Fritz is the best program in the World. >>>>>>Is GM Keene a grandmaster or have Keene tomatos on his eyes. >>>>> >>>>> Everyone can make a mistake. It remainds me of your claim about Gandalf. >>>>> But it's not important what program anyone believes is the strongets in the >>>>>world. There must be a competition, declare a winner, and that winner will be >>>>>the strongest in the world until the next competition. This is the fair way to >>>>>do it. Maybe not scientifically perfect, but fair in terms of competition. >>>>> >>>>>>What a pity ... >>>>>> >>>>>>But all this is not very important, the match Kramnik - Fritz is also boring if >>>>>>I look in my computer chess kalendar with the results of the last years. >>>>>> >>>>>>Now Chess Tiger won the Dutch-ch 2001 and I will say ... Christiophe we all know >>>>>>how strong is your program and I will say ... >>>>>> >>>>>>Congratulations >>>>> >>>>> I agree. >>>>> >>>>> José C. >>>>> >>>>>>Best >>>>>>Frank >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I wait of tourneys where Fritz can win. >>>>>>So it is better for me to understand a grandmaster with the name "Keene". >>>> >>>>Hi, >>>> >>>>make analyses with longer time controls with all top programs. >>>>You can see that the best analyses comes from Gandalf. >>> >>>I do not agree about it. >>>I have limited experience with gandalf but I did not get this impression. >>> >>>I use mainly Deep Fritz or tiger or yace. >>> >>> >>>> >>>>In all test suites Gandalf have top results, Gandalf found the most of moves in >>>>5-10 minutes on stronger hardware. Other programs in different position in 1 >>>>second or not in 30 minutes :-)) Gandalf found moves not in 1 second he must >>>>calculated and found the most critical moves in 5-10 minutes on very fast >>>>hardware. >>> >>>I remember that gandalf could not solve nolot number 2 even after some hours >>>when part of the other programs including Deep Fritz could solve it. >>> >>>> >>>>Look in the SSDF >>>>Gandalf on 450MHz and Gandalf on 1.2GHz. >>> >>>It proves nothing. >>> >>>Gandalf earns more speed from 1.2GHz based on a post of jouni uski that I >>>remember. >>> >>>We need rating on the same hardware at different time control and not under >>>chessbase because gandalf has problems under chessbase at blitz but I remember >>>good results of gandalf at blitz under winboard. >>> >>>Uri >> >>Hi Uri, >> >>I think Gandalf is one of the 4/111 WinBoard engines which works fine with >>ponder and WinBoard adapter under Chess-Base GUIs. >> >>4 from 111 engines works fine with ponder after so many years. >> >>- Gandalf >>- Quark >>- Patzer >>- Yace >> >>I cann't not write Gandalf is bad if my results are good, sorry! >>Look in all from my databases which are available. >> >>Maybe a reason is ponder. >>I played all games with ponder the most other people without ponder. >>I have not an other idea ... > >I remmeber based on a previous post some monthes or a year ago that gandalf won >a blitz tourament under winboard when it also was better than programs like >Crafty. > >I did not say that gandalf is bad under chessbase but only that it has problem >in blitz under chessbase. > >I remember that under chessbase gandalf showed small number of nodes per second >when it started to calculate and the number of nodes per second was going up and >becomes stable as more than twice of the initial value when it is not the case >with other chessbase programs. > >Maybe it is not the case with ponder on(I do not know) but I suspect that the >chessbase interface is responsible for the problems that gandalf has in blitz. > >Uri Hi Uri, yes it's possible, maybe the new command for every move in Chess-Base WinBoard adapter. I make a long time no experiments with fast blitz games, ponder and WinBoard adapter under Fritz GUI. Since I testet the beta versions from Gandalf 4.32f. Steen made here I believe 20 updates and wrote the complete time managment new (for this adapter). So Gandalf have an own command for the *.init configuration file. In my opinion ... We have more as 100 programmers. Chess-Base GUIs without bugs are very good. But the problem is ... 100 programmers are sitting at home and spend to many time for try his engine under this GUI. Uri, 100 of people work in a bad adapter much hours. Is this really the right way or is the better way to rewrite this adapter. Amateur programmers try to make a little bit for computer chess fans and I hope in the future also Chess-Base ... If Chess-Base have not interest on WinBoard then it is better to say this. Stefan Meyer-Kahlen say to me ... "Frank, I have no interest to work on the WinBoard adapter in my Shredder GUI". I think this is better for all people which have interest, also for all this people which used Chess-Base GUIs. Also this group, more as 1.000 people I think sitting hours at home and try and work with a bad adapter. I delete Fritz 6 from my PC, Fritz 7 is have to many bugs so I cann't not make a test (interesting what you wrote but I have at the moment no interest on the Fritz GUI). Maybe if Fritz 7 works fine and a better WinBoard adapter is available. Best Frank
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