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Subject: Re: Congratulations to Christophe and Ed ...

Author: Frank Quisinsky

Date: 11:31:41 11/05/01

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On November 05, 2001 at 12:54:09, Uri Blass wrote:

>On November 05, 2001 at 11:33:02, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>
>>On November 05, 2001 at 05:12:09, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>
>>>On November 05, 2001 at 03:40:36, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>
>>>>the next big event and Fritz cann't win.
>>>>In the most magazines where I can read information about Fritz-Kramnik I must
>>>>read Fritz is the best program in the World. But our Fritz can not win the big
>>>>tourneys.
>>>>
>>>>A pity:
>>>>We have programs (I am to 70% sure) witch have a better chance against Kramnik
>>>>with longer time controls.
>>>>
>>>>Chess Tiger ...
>>>>Shredder ...
>>>>Gandalf ...
>>>>
>>>>and now the World must see Fritz (not the 4x computer chess world champion
>>>>Shredder), a program which cann't win the most of big computer chess events.
>>>>
>>>>GM Keene say Fritz is the best program in the World.
>>>>Is GM Keene a grandmaster or have Keene tomatos on his eyes.
>>>>
>>>>What a pity ...
>>>>
>>>>But all this is not very important, the match Kramnik - Fritz is also boring if
>>>>I look in my computer chess kalendar with the results of the last years.
>>>>
>>>>Now Chess Tiger won the Dutch-ch 2001 and I will say ... Christiophe we all know
>>>>how strong is your program and I will say ...
>>>>
>>>>Congratulations
>>>>
>>>>Best
>>>>Frank
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I wait of tourneys where Fritz can win.
>>>
>>>Hi Frank, In your own homepage is listed 3 tournament, which Fritz/Quest won...
>>>But yes they are surprisingly rare even if Fritz has normally better hardware
>>>than the rest. May be it's optimised for human play?
>>>
>>>Jouni
>>
>>Hi Jouni,
>>
>>it is possible that Fritz 6 and now Fritz 7 is optimised for human play.
>>
>>I believe:
>>
>>Tactial strength
>>Fritz 3.000
>>Shredder 2.900
>>
>>Positional strength
>>Fritz 2.300
>>Shredder 2.400
>>
>>And 100 ELO more positional strength is better against human because in tactial
>>games we have maybe 20 programs which are better then Kramnik. But Kramnik is
>>400 ELO better in positional strength.
>>
>>I think the best programs have not more as 2.400 ELO in correspondence chess.
>>Maybe not more then 2.350 ELO ... I don't know.
>
>I have a different opinion and I believe that top programs on good hardware are
>at least 2500 in correspondence chess.
>
>Fritz6 and Nimzo7.32 beated senior master Steve Ham 2.5-1.5 and Fritz missed a
>win in the endgame of one of these games.
>
>My experience in the championship of Israel tells me that I get 6.5 out of 8
>against players with average ICCF rating that is almost 2450 and most of my
>moves are computer moves.
>
>I admit that I used my brain mainly to choose which program to believe when
>different programs suggested different moves but I guess that computer with no
>help with faster hardware could get at least 4.5 out of 8 that means rating that
>is close to 2500.
>
>Here are my results:
>
>Abir Har aven(2587)-Uri Blass 0-1
>Dov Rozenberg(2516)-Uri Blass 0-1(this game was not finished but I am sure about
>the result and yace says more than +12 pawns for me)
>Uri Blass-Yoav Dothan(2501) 0.5-0.5(he agreed to a draw today)
>Luba kristol(2488)-Uri Blass 0-1
>Uri Blass Pinhas Azar(2466) 0.5-0.5
>David vaichel(2372)-Uri Blass(all my moves in that game were identical to Deep
>Fritz) 0-1
>Uri Blass-Moshe Glazman(2322) 0.5-0.5
>Uri Blass-Micheal Gavish(2295) 1-0
>
>
>Uri

Hi Uri,

hmm, this are points where I must thinking about my opinion.
So I am not a very strong chess player (2.000 ELO not more) but I thinking in
the past that chess programs have not more as 2.350 in correspondence chess. A
friend is playing with the combination Shredder / Tiger / Gandalf / Yace in
correspondence chess and have also 2.470 ELO !

On the other hand it is clear that programs get more chess knowledge (best
example is Fritz in the past) and are know a little bit stronger.

I think Kramnik beat all of the best chess programs on very fast hardware with
70% ...

Thanks, very interesting ...

Best
Frank



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