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Subject: Re: Congratulations to Christophe and Ed ...

Author: Frank Quisinsky

Date: 11:33:53 11/05/01

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On November 05, 2001 at 14:31:41, Frank Quisinsky wrote:

>On November 05, 2001 at 12:54:09, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On November 05, 2001 at 11:33:02, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>>
>>>On November 05, 2001 at 05:12:09, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 05, 2001 at 03:40:36, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>the next big event and Fritz cann't win.
>>>>>In the most magazines where I can read information about Fritz-Kramnik I must
>>>>>read Fritz is the best program in the World. But our Fritz can not win the big
>>>>>tourneys.
>>>>>
>>>>>A pity:
>>>>>We have programs (I am to 70% sure) witch have a better chance against Kramnik
>>>>>with longer time controls.
>>>>>
>>>>>Chess Tiger ...
>>>>>Shredder ...
>>>>>Gandalf ...
>>>>>
>>>>>and now the World must see Fritz (not the 4x computer chess world champion
>>>>>Shredder), a program which cann't win the most of big computer chess events.
>>>>>
>>>>>GM Keene say Fritz is the best program in the World.
>>>>>Is GM Keene a grandmaster or have Keene tomatos on his eyes.
>>>>>
>>>>>What a pity ...
>>>>>
>>>>>But all this is not very important, the match Kramnik - Fritz is also boring if
>>>>>I look in my computer chess kalendar with the results of the last years.
>>>>>
>>>>>Now Chess Tiger won the Dutch-ch 2001 and I will say ... Christiophe we all know
>>>>>how strong is your program and I will say ...
>>>>>
>>>>>Congratulations
>>>>>
>>>>>Best
>>>>>Frank
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I wait of tourneys where Fritz can win.
>>>>
>>>>Hi Frank, In your own homepage is listed 3 tournament, which Fritz/Quest won...
>>>>But yes they are surprisingly rare even if Fritz has normally better hardware
>>>>than the rest. May be it's optimised for human play?
>>>>
>>>>Jouni
>>>
>>>Hi Jouni,
>>>
>>>it is possible that Fritz 6 and now Fritz 7 is optimised for human play.
>>>
>>>I believe:
>>>
>>>Tactial strength
>>>Fritz 3.000
>>>Shredder 2.900
>>>
>>>Positional strength
>>>Fritz 2.300
>>>Shredder 2.400
>>>
>>>And 100 ELO more positional strength is better against human because in tactial
>>>games we have maybe 20 programs which are better then Kramnik. But Kramnik is
>>>400 ELO better in positional strength.
>>>
>>>I think the best programs have not more as 2.400 ELO in correspondence chess.
>>>Maybe not more then 2.350 ELO ... I don't know.
>>
>>I have a different opinion and I believe that top programs on good hardware are
>>at least 2500 in correspondence chess.
>>
>>Fritz6 and Nimzo7.32 beated senior master Steve Ham 2.5-1.5 and Fritz missed a
>>win in the endgame of one of these games.
>>
>>My experience in the championship of Israel tells me that I get 6.5 out of 8
>>against players with average ICCF rating that is almost 2450 and most of my
>>moves are computer moves.
>>
>>I admit that I used my brain mainly to choose which program to believe when
>>different programs suggested different moves but I guess that computer with no
>>help with faster hardware could get at least 4.5 out of 8 that means rating that
>>is close to 2500.
>>
>>Here are my results:
>>
>>Abir Har aven(2587)-Uri Blass 0-1
>>Dov Rozenberg(2516)-Uri Blass 0-1(this game was not finished but I am sure about
>>the result and yace says more than +12 pawns for me)
>>Uri Blass-Yoav Dothan(2501) 0.5-0.5(he agreed to a draw today)
>>Luba kristol(2488)-Uri Blass 0-1
>>Uri Blass Pinhas Azar(2466) 0.5-0.5
>>David vaichel(2372)-Uri Blass(all my moves in that game were identical to Deep
>>Fritz) 0-1
>>Uri Blass-Moshe Glazman(2322) 0.5-0.5
>>Uri Blass-Micheal Gavish(2295) 1-0
>>
>>
>>Uri
>
>Hi Uri,
>
>hmm, this are points where I must thinking about my opinion.
>So I am not a very strong chess player (2.000 ELO not more) but I thinking in
>the past that chess programs have not more as 2.350 in correspondence chess. A
>friend is playing with the combination Shredder / Tiger / Gandalf / Yace in
>correspondence chess and have also 2.470 ELO !
>
>On the other hand it is clear that programs get more chess knowledge (best
>example is Fritz in the past) and are know a little bit stronger.
>
>I think Kramnik beat all of the best chess programs on very fast hardware with
>70% ...
>
>Thanks, very interesting ...
>
>Best
>Frank

Uri,

could you send me the games for me private, must see the games ...
Will make analyses with Gandalf, AnMon.

Best
Frank



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