Author: Frank Quisinsky
Date: 11:33:53 11/05/01
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On November 05, 2001 at 14:31:41, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >On November 05, 2001 at 12:54:09, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On November 05, 2001 at 11:33:02, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >> >>>On November 05, 2001 at 05:12:09, Jouni Uski wrote: >>> >>>>On November 05, 2001 at 03:40:36, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >>>> >>>>>Hi, >>>>> >>>>>the next big event and Fritz cann't win. >>>>>In the most magazines where I can read information about Fritz-Kramnik I must >>>>>read Fritz is the best program in the World. But our Fritz can not win the big >>>>>tourneys. >>>>> >>>>>A pity: >>>>>We have programs (I am to 70% sure) witch have a better chance against Kramnik >>>>>with longer time controls. >>>>> >>>>>Chess Tiger ... >>>>>Shredder ... >>>>>Gandalf ... >>>>> >>>>>and now the World must see Fritz (not the 4x computer chess world champion >>>>>Shredder), a program which cann't win the most of big computer chess events. >>>>> >>>>>GM Keene say Fritz is the best program in the World. >>>>>Is GM Keene a grandmaster or have Keene tomatos on his eyes. >>>>> >>>>>What a pity ... >>>>> >>>>>But all this is not very important, the match Kramnik - Fritz is also boring if >>>>>I look in my computer chess kalendar with the results of the last years. >>>>> >>>>>Now Chess Tiger won the Dutch-ch 2001 and I will say ... Christiophe we all know >>>>>how strong is your program and I will say ... >>>>> >>>>>Congratulations >>>>> >>>>>Best >>>>>Frank >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I wait of tourneys where Fritz can win. >>>> >>>>Hi Frank, In your own homepage is listed 3 tournament, which Fritz/Quest won... >>>>But yes they are surprisingly rare even if Fritz has normally better hardware >>>>than the rest. May be it's optimised for human play? >>>> >>>>Jouni >>> >>>Hi Jouni, >>> >>>it is possible that Fritz 6 and now Fritz 7 is optimised for human play. >>> >>>I believe: >>> >>>Tactial strength >>>Fritz 3.000 >>>Shredder 2.900 >>> >>>Positional strength >>>Fritz 2.300 >>>Shredder 2.400 >>> >>>And 100 ELO more positional strength is better against human because in tactial >>>games we have maybe 20 programs which are better then Kramnik. But Kramnik is >>>400 ELO better in positional strength. >>> >>>I think the best programs have not more as 2.400 ELO in correspondence chess. >>>Maybe not more then 2.350 ELO ... I don't know. >> >>I have a different opinion and I believe that top programs on good hardware are >>at least 2500 in correspondence chess. >> >>Fritz6 and Nimzo7.32 beated senior master Steve Ham 2.5-1.5 and Fritz missed a >>win in the endgame of one of these games. >> >>My experience in the championship of Israel tells me that I get 6.5 out of 8 >>against players with average ICCF rating that is almost 2450 and most of my >>moves are computer moves. >> >>I admit that I used my brain mainly to choose which program to believe when >>different programs suggested different moves but I guess that computer with no >>help with faster hardware could get at least 4.5 out of 8 that means rating that >>is close to 2500. >> >>Here are my results: >> >>Abir Har aven(2587)-Uri Blass 0-1 >>Dov Rozenberg(2516)-Uri Blass 0-1(this game was not finished but I am sure about >>the result and yace says more than +12 pawns for me) >>Uri Blass-Yoav Dothan(2501) 0.5-0.5(he agreed to a draw today) >>Luba kristol(2488)-Uri Blass 0-1 >>Uri Blass Pinhas Azar(2466) 0.5-0.5 >>David vaichel(2372)-Uri Blass(all my moves in that game were identical to Deep >>Fritz) 0-1 >>Uri Blass-Moshe Glazman(2322) 0.5-0.5 >>Uri Blass-Micheal Gavish(2295) 1-0 >> >> >>Uri > >Hi Uri, > >hmm, this are points where I must thinking about my opinion. >So I am not a very strong chess player (2.000 ELO not more) but I thinking in >the past that chess programs have not more as 2.350 in correspondence chess. A >friend is playing with the combination Shredder / Tiger / Gandalf / Yace in >correspondence chess and have also 2.470 ELO ! > >On the other hand it is clear that programs get more chess knowledge (best >example is Fritz in the past) and are know a little bit stronger. > >I think Kramnik beat all of the best chess programs on very fast hardware with >70% ... > >Thanks, very interesting ... > >Best >Frank Uri, could you send me the games for me private, must see the games ... Will make analyses with Gandalf, AnMon. Best Frank
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