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Subject: Re: Ng5!? Is there a win here.

Author: blass uri

Date: 01:10:15 05/31/98

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On May 31, 1998 at 03:31:10, Mark Young wrote:

>On May 31, 1998 at 01:24:12, Hristo wrote:
>
>>On May 29, 1998 at 12:56:18, blass uri wrote:
>>
>>>On May 29, 1998 at 05:01:53, Dennis Breuker wrote:
>>>
>>>>In http://www.chesscenter.com/twic/michael53.html Michael Greengard
>>>>gives some interesting analysis for the third game in the
>>>>Kramnik-Shirov match.
>>>>
>>>>This is the game in PGN:
>>>>
>>>>[Event "WCC Cand final"]
>>>>[Site "Cazorla ESP"]
>>>>[Date "1998.05.27"]
>>>>[Round "03"]
>>>>[White "Kramnik,V"]
>>>>[Black "Shirov,A"]
>>>>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>>>>[ECO "D88"]
>>>>[WhiteElo "2790"]
>>>>[BlackElo "2710"]
>>>>
>>>>1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5. e4 Nxc3 6. bxc3 Bg7 7. Bc4
>>>>O-O 8. Ne2 c5 9. O-O Nc6 10. Be3 Bg4 11. f3 Na5 12. Bxf7+ Rxf7 13. fxg4
>>>>Rxf1+ 14. Kxf1 cxd4 15. cxd4 e5 16. d5 Nc4 17. Qd3 Nxe3+ 18. Qxe3 Qh4
>>>>19. h3 Bh6 20. Qd3 Rf8+ 21. Kg1 Qf2+ 22. Kh1 Qe3 23. Qxe3 Bxe3 24. Rd1
>>>>Rf2 25. Ng1 Kf7 26. Rd3 Bb6 27. Rf3+ Ke7 28. Rxf2 Bxf2 29. Nf3 Kd6 30.
>>>>g3 Bxg3 31. Kg2 Bf4 32. Kf2 Kc5 33. Ke2 b5 34. Kd3 1/2-1/2
>>>>
>>>>Here I quote the relevant part of what Michael Greengard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-------------
>>>>30.g3 looks like a blunder, tossing a pawn and allowing the bishop to
>>>>protect the weak e-pawn, but upon deeper inspection White has nothing
>>>>else. 30.Ng5 is the obvious move, winning a pawn and, coincidentally,
>>>>almost losing the game! You computer analysis addicts out there should
>>>>toss your Pentium 400 MHz and ChesSpank 6000 out the window on this one
>>>>as I'm sure they just LOVE 30.Ng5! I'm still looking at side lines, but
>>>>it's very hard for White to save the game as the queenside pawns are
>>>>very fast if the knight wanders that far away. (Good thing to remember
>>>>in your own games. Pawns are slow in the middlegame, but are devilishly
>>>>fast in endgames vs. knights!)
>>>>
>>>>While Black is in trouble if he tries to defend (Black loses after
>>>>30.Ng5? 30...h6 or 30...b5 and just barely draws (?) after 30...Ke7), he
>>>>can go on the offensive with 30...Kc5! and it takes some serious
>>>>acrobatics for White to even draw this position.
>>>>
>>>>[ANALYSIS LINE: 30.Ng5?]
>>>>
>>>>30...Kc5! 31.Nxh7 b5 32.g3 a5
>>>>
>>>>(32...Bxg3? Slowing down the queenside pawns by a crucial tempo and
>>>>allowing the white king to gain several important tempi hitting the
>>>>bishop. 33.Nf8 a5 34.Kg2 Be1 35.Nxg6 Kd6 36.Kf1! Bc3 37.h4 b4 38.Ke2
>>>>winning)
>>>>
>>>>33.Kg2 Bd4
>>>
>>>fritz5 prefered 33...a4 with evaluation of equality after 7 minutes

after 33...a4 black is not losing
fritz5  play 34.h4 b4 35.h5 gxh5 g5 and black has adventage
better is 34.Kxf2 but white cannot prevent black from doing a queen and
fritz5 "think" black is better


>>>
>>> 34.Ng5
>>>>
>>>>(This crazy line which appears to save White is probably better! Lots of
>>>>analysis needed here: 34.h4 b4 35.h5 gxh5 36.gxh5 a4 37.Nf6 Be3 38.d6
>>>>Bg5 39.Ng4
>>>
>>>now 39...Kxd6 wins for black
>>>
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>
>>Hold on .. :))) am I missing something here ...seems like white are
>>winning after: (BTW I'm not going to list all possible combinations ...
>>too much :))
>>30. Ng5 Kc5(?!) 31. Nxh7 b5 32. g3 a5 33. Kg2 Bd4 34. h4 b4 35. h5 gxh5
>>36. g5(!) a4 37.g6 b3 38. axb axb 39. g7 b2 40. g8Q b1Q 41. Qf8+ Kc4 42.
>>Qf3 and it seems like only white can win here ...
>>if 36. ... Kd6 37. g6 Ke7 38. d6+ Ke6 39. g7 Kf7 40. Nf6 Kxg7 41. Nd5 +-
>>
>>Now there are a lot of different combinations here ... :)
>>if 36. ... Be3 37. g6 Bh6 38. Ng5 a4 39. Nf3 b3 40. axb a3 41. Ne1 a2
>>42. Nc2 Kd6 43. b4 Ke7 44. Kf3 Kf6 45. Ke2! Bf8 46. b5 Bc5 47. Kd3 kxg6
>>48. Kc4 Bd4 49. d6 Kf6 50. Kd5 a1Q 51. Nxa1 Bxa1 52. Kc6 +-
>>This is just the main line, or so it seems. White have advantage! no?!
>>If computers play this move *they*(the computers) might lose not because
>>of
>>30. Ng5(!?) but because the position is fairly complicated, and the
>>smallest
>>mistake would be deadly. Perhaps 30.g3 is a blunder instead of a win
>>white
>>have to fight for a draw.
30.g3 is not a blunder the blunder was 33...Bd4 in the analysis
shirov like to sacrifice bishops in the ending so he would not miss
33...a4

>>Computers playing chess have many problems, but I din't think this move
>>is one of them !!! Better try game #2 of the last match between KG and
>>DB !!!
>>
>>Bets Regards.
>>Hristo
>
>Could a strong player take a look at the lines here. I found the same
>line of play. And it looks like it may win. Is 30 Ng5 losing? Move 36 g5
>-- seems to win the game.



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