Author: blass uri
Date: 01:10:15 05/31/98
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On May 31, 1998 at 03:31:10, Mark Young wrote: >On May 31, 1998 at 01:24:12, Hristo wrote: > >>On May 29, 1998 at 12:56:18, blass uri wrote: >> >>>On May 29, 1998 at 05:01:53, Dennis Breuker wrote: >>> >>>>In http://www.chesscenter.com/twic/michael53.html Michael Greengard >>>>gives some interesting analysis for the third game in the >>>>Kramnik-Shirov match. >>>> >>>>This is the game in PGN: >>>> >>>>[Event "WCC Cand final"] >>>>[Site "Cazorla ESP"] >>>>[Date "1998.05.27"] >>>>[Round "03"] >>>>[White "Kramnik,V"] >>>>[Black "Shirov,A"] >>>>[Result "1/2-1/2"] >>>>[ECO "D88"] >>>>[WhiteElo "2790"] >>>>[BlackElo "2710"] >>>> >>>>1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5. e4 Nxc3 6. bxc3 Bg7 7. Bc4 >>>>O-O 8. Ne2 c5 9. O-O Nc6 10. Be3 Bg4 11. f3 Na5 12. Bxf7+ Rxf7 13. fxg4 >>>>Rxf1+ 14. Kxf1 cxd4 15. cxd4 e5 16. d5 Nc4 17. Qd3 Nxe3+ 18. Qxe3 Qh4 >>>>19. h3 Bh6 20. Qd3 Rf8+ 21. Kg1 Qf2+ 22. Kh1 Qe3 23. Qxe3 Bxe3 24. Rd1 >>>>Rf2 25. Ng1 Kf7 26. Rd3 Bb6 27. Rf3+ Ke7 28. Rxf2 Bxf2 29. Nf3 Kd6 30. >>>>g3 Bxg3 31. Kg2 Bf4 32. Kf2 Kc5 33. Ke2 b5 34. Kd3 1/2-1/2 >>>> >>>>Here I quote the relevant part of what Michael Greengard wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>------------- >>>>30.g3 looks like a blunder, tossing a pawn and allowing the bishop to >>>>protect the weak e-pawn, but upon deeper inspection White has nothing >>>>else. 30.Ng5 is the obvious move, winning a pawn and, coincidentally, >>>>almost losing the game! You computer analysis addicts out there should >>>>toss your Pentium 400 MHz and ChesSpank 6000 out the window on this one >>>>as I'm sure they just LOVE 30.Ng5! I'm still looking at side lines, but >>>>it's very hard for White to save the game as the queenside pawns are >>>>very fast if the knight wanders that far away. (Good thing to remember >>>>in your own games. Pawns are slow in the middlegame, but are devilishly >>>>fast in endgames vs. knights!) >>>> >>>>While Black is in trouble if he tries to defend (Black loses after >>>>30.Ng5? 30...h6 or 30...b5 and just barely draws (?) after 30...Ke7), he >>>>can go on the offensive with 30...Kc5! and it takes some serious >>>>acrobatics for White to even draw this position. >>>> >>>>[ANALYSIS LINE: 30.Ng5?] >>>> >>>>30...Kc5! 31.Nxh7 b5 32.g3 a5 >>>> >>>>(32...Bxg3? Slowing down the queenside pawns by a crucial tempo and >>>>allowing the white king to gain several important tempi hitting the >>>>bishop. 33.Nf8 a5 34.Kg2 Be1 35.Nxg6 Kd6 36.Kf1! Bc3 37.h4 b4 38.Ke2 >>>>winning) >>>> >>>>33.Kg2 Bd4 >>> >>>fritz5 prefered 33...a4 with evaluation of equality after 7 minutes after 33...a4 black is not losing fritz5 play 34.h4 b4 35.h5 gxh5 g5 and black has adventage better is 34.Kxf2 but white cannot prevent black from doing a queen and fritz5 "think" black is better >>> >>> 34.Ng5 >>>> >>>>(This crazy line which appears to save White is probably better! Lots of >>>>analysis needed here: 34.h4 b4 35.h5 gxh5 36.gxh5 a4 37.Nf6 Be3 38.d6 >>>>Bg5 39.Ng4 >>> >>>now 39...Kxd6 wins for black >>> >>> >>>Uri >> >> >>Hold on .. :))) am I missing something here ...seems like white are >>winning after: (BTW I'm not going to list all possible combinations ... >>too much :)) >>30. Ng5 Kc5(?!) 31. Nxh7 b5 32. g3 a5 33. Kg2 Bd4 34. h4 b4 35. h5 gxh5 >>36. g5(!) a4 37.g6 b3 38. axb axb 39. g7 b2 40. g8Q b1Q 41. Qf8+ Kc4 42. >>Qf3 and it seems like only white can win here ... >>if 36. ... Kd6 37. g6 Ke7 38. d6+ Ke6 39. g7 Kf7 40. Nf6 Kxg7 41. Nd5 +- >> >>Now there are a lot of different combinations here ... :) >>if 36. ... Be3 37. g6 Bh6 38. Ng5 a4 39. Nf3 b3 40. axb a3 41. Ne1 a2 >>42. Nc2 Kd6 43. b4 Ke7 44. Kf3 Kf6 45. Ke2! Bf8 46. b5 Bc5 47. Kd3 kxg6 >>48. Kc4 Bd4 49. d6 Kf6 50. Kd5 a1Q 51. Nxa1 Bxa1 52. Kc6 +- >>This is just the main line, or so it seems. White have advantage! no?! >>If computers play this move *they*(the computers) might lose not because >>of >>30. Ng5(!?) but because the position is fairly complicated, and the >>smallest >>mistake would be deadly. Perhaps 30.g3 is a blunder instead of a win >>white >>have to fight for a draw. 30.g3 is not a blunder the blunder was 33...Bd4 in the analysis shirov like to sacrifice bishops in the ending so he would not miss 33...a4 >>Computers playing chess have many problems, but I din't think this move >>is one of them !!! Better try game #2 of the last match between KG and >>DB !!! >> >>Bets Regards. >>Hristo > >Could a strong player take a look at the lines here. I found the same >line of play. And it looks like it may win. Is 30 Ng5 losing? Move 36 g5 >-- seems to win the game.
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