Author: Miguel A. Ballicora
Date: 08:11:08 11/06/01
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On November 06, 2001 at 10:23:26, Bernhard Bauer wrote: >On November 06, 2001 at 09:54:55, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On November 06, 2001 at 08:39:49, Bernhard Bauer wrote: >> >>>On November 06, 2001 at 07:20:26, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: >>> >>>>On November 06, 2001 at 06:21:49, Rory Nolan wrote: >>>> >>>>>What settings etc did you use and how long did it take fritzy to find Rb4!. None >>>>>of the progs I have can find it (Junior 7, Deep fritz, Shredder 5 etc..) mind >>>>>you I only gave them approx 10 mins each (Amd 950 96 mb for hash) >>>>>thanks >>>>>Rory >>>> >>>>Default settings, 288M hash, Athlon 1000 >>>> >>>>I find it very strange Fritz 'finds' this move, as there >>>>has been serious debate if the solution is correct. >>>> >>>>-- >>>>GCP >>> >>>Serious debate? Well the first serious debate of this position was in Niendorf >>>1927 between Nimzowitsch and Kmoch on the board. Later this position was >>>discussed by german GM Kurt Richter in his book "Der Schachpraktiker", 1959 and >>>may be others. So the position *is* correct. >> >> >>1927,1959 >>There were no chess programs at that time so the analysis was not serious >>analysis. > >This is rediculos. > >> >>I trust more analysis from today and not analysis that is more than 40 years >>old. > >That old analysis was given by well known grand masters. >I trust them more than nowadays patzers. > >> >>I remember that there was a discussion about the position in the last years and >>it seems that white can get a draw by correct defence. > >The statement "white can get a draw by correct defence" is wrong. > >> >>I do not know what you mean by "the position *is* correct" > >The position is a clear win for black, as in the game. I believe that is a win for Black, but this is a fact: It is _not_ an easy win. Black has to sweat a little bit more. Another fact is that in the game White did not chose the most stubborn defense which is 5.Re2 rather than 5.Rb1 It has been analyzed a little bit here on the forum and it was not shown a clear path to victory. Many lines has been shown that seemed to suggest that Black still has advantage but there were far from resignation. I believe that black wins but I did not have have the time to analyze the line that I believe it wins. Interestingly, Fritz does not see Re2 in the pv and only Rb1 which makes a little bit suspicious what it sees. Regards, Miguel >>If you mean that the move of Fritz gives the best practical chances then you are >>correct but if you mean that the move is winning then you are probably wrong(I >>am not sure because I did not waste time to check the analysis) > >If you "did not waste time to check the analysis" why do you comment?? >If you like we can play on from that position. My move is Rb4. >regards >Bernhard >> >>Uri
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