Author: Uri Blass
Date: 13:50:21 11/06/01
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On November 06, 2001 at 10:23:26, Bernhard Bauer wrote: >On November 06, 2001 at 09:54:55, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On November 06, 2001 at 08:39:49, Bernhard Bauer wrote: >> >>>On November 06, 2001 at 07:20:26, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: >>> >>>>On November 06, 2001 at 06:21:49, Rory Nolan wrote: >>>> >>>>>What settings etc did you use and how long did it take fritzy to find Rb4!. None >>>>>of the progs I have can find it (Junior 7, Deep fritz, Shredder 5 etc..) mind >>>>>you I only gave them approx 10 mins each (Amd 950 96 mb for hash) >>>>>thanks >>>>>Rory >>>> >>>>Default settings, 288M hash, Athlon 1000 >>>> >>>>I find it very strange Fritz 'finds' this move, as there >>>>has been serious debate if the solution is correct. >>>> >>>>-- >>>>GCP >>> >>>Serious debate? Well the first serious debate of this position was in Niendorf >>>1927 between Nimzowitsch and Kmoch on the board. Later this position was >>>discussed by german GM Kurt Richter in his book "Der Schachpraktiker", 1959 and >>>may be others. So the position *is* correct. >> >> >>1927,1959 >>There were no chess programs at that time so the analysis was not serious >>analysis. > >This is rediculos. > >> >>I trust more analysis from today and not analysis that is more than 40 years >>old. > >That old analysis was given by well known grand masters. >I trust them more than nowadays patzers. I trust more nowdays patzers with the help of computers. I know that analysis of GM's was often wrong and I discovered many mistakes by computers. It is possible that black is winning(I did not check it) but the claim that black is winning should be based on analysis with today's programs. If your claim was "I checked the analysis with today programs and black is winning then your claim could be more convincing" I wonder if the GM's from 1927 and 1959 gave the best line for white in their analysis. If they did not analyze the lines that "patzers" with today programs found then it seems that your opinion that black is winning should not be based on their analysis. Uri
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