Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 15:23:58 11/06/01
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On November 06, 2001 at 11:11:08, Miguel A. Ballicora wrote: >On November 06, 2001 at 10:23:26, Bernhard Bauer wrote: > >>On November 06, 2001 at 09:54:55, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On November 06, 2001 at 08:39:49, Bernhard Bauer wrote: >>> >>>>On November 06, 2001 at 07:20:26, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 06, 2001 at 06:21:49, Rory Nolan wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>What settings etc did you use and how long did it take fritzy to find Rb4!. None >>>>>>of the progs I have can find it (Junior 7, Deep fritz, Shredder 5 etc..) mind >>>>>>you I only gave them approx 10 mins each (Amd 950 96 mb for hash) >>>>>>thanks >>>>>>Rory >>>>> >>>>>Default settings, 288M hash, Athlon 1000 >>>>> >>>>>I find it very strange Fritz 'finds' this move, as there >>>>>has been serious debate if the solution is correct. >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>GCP >>>> >>>>Serious debate? Well the first serious debate of this position was in Niendorf >>>>1927 between Nimzowitsch and Kmoch on the board. Later this position was >>>>discussed by german GM Kurt Richter in his book "Der Schachpraktiker", 1959 and >>>>may be others. So the position *is* correct. >>> >>> >>>1927,1959 >>>There were no chess programs at that time so the analysis was not serious >>>analysis. >> >>This is rediculos. >> >>> >>>I trust more analysis from today and not analysis that is more than 40 years >>>old. >> >>That old analysis was given by well known grand masters. >>I trust them more than nowadays patzers. >> >>> >>>I remember that there was a discussion about the position in the last years and >>>it seems that white can get a draw by correct defence. >> >>The statement "white can get a draw by correct defence" is wrong. >> >>> >>>I do not know what you mean by "the position *is* correct" >> >>The position is a clear win for black, as in the game. > >I believe that is a win for Black, but this is a fact: It is _not_ an >easy win. Black has to sweat a little bit more. >Another fact is that in the game White did not chose the most >stubborn defense which is 5.Re2 rather than 5.Rb1 >It has been analyzed a little bit here on the forum and it was not shown a >clear path to victory. Many lines has been shown that seemed to suggest that >Black still has advantage but there were far from resignation. >I believe that black wins but I did not have have the time to analyze the line >that I believe it wins. >Interestingly, Fritz does not see Re2 in the pv and only Rb1 which makes >a little bit suspicious what it sees. > >Regards, >Miguel > > That is why I suggested that this is an artifact created by large passed pawn bonuses more than anything else. >>>If you mean that the move of Fritz gives the best practical chances then you are >>>correct but if you mean that the move is winning then you are probably wrong(I >>>am not sure because I did not waste time to check the analysis) >> >>If you "did not waste time to check the analysis" why do you comment?? >>If you like we can play on from that position. My move is Rb4. >>regards >>Bernhard >>> >>>Uri
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