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Subject: Re: I'll be damned if...

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 15:23:58 11/06/01

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On November 06, 2001 at 11:11:08, Miguel A. Ballicora wrote:

>On November 06, 2001 at 10:23:26, Bernhard Bauer wrote:
>
>>On November 06, 2001 at 09:54:55, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On November 06, 2001 at 08:39:49, Bernhard Bauer wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 06, 2001 at 07:20:26, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On November 06, 2001 at 06:21:49, Rory Nolan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>What settings etc did you use and how long did it take fritzy to find Rb4!. None
>>>>>>of the progs I have can find it (Junior 7, Deep fritz, Shredder 5 etc..) mind
>>>>>>you I only gave them approx 10 mins each (Amd 950 96 mb for hash)
>>>>>>thanks
>>>>>>Rory
>>>>>
>>>>>Default settings, 288M hash, Athlon 1000
>>>>>
>>>>>I find it very strange Fritz 'finds' this move, as there
>>>>>has been serious debate if the solution is correct.
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>GCP
>>>>
>>>>Serious debate? Well the first serious debate of this position was in Niendorf
>>>>1927 between Nimzowitsch and Kmoch on the board. Later this position was
>>>>discussed by german GM Kurt Richter in his book "Der Schachpraktiker", 1959 and
>>>>may be others. So the position *is* correct.
>>>
>>>
>>>1927,1959
>>>There were no chess programs at that time so the analysis was not serious
>>>analysis.
>>
>>This is rediculos.
>>
>>>
>>>I trust more analysis from today and not analysis that is more than 40 years
>>>old.
>>
>>That old analysis was given by well known grand masters.
>>I trust them more than nowadays patzers.
>>
>>>
>>>I remember that there was a discussion about the position in the last years and
>>>it seems that white can get a draw by correct defence.
>>
>>The statement "white can get a draw by correct defence" is wrong.
>>
>>>
>>>I do not know what you mean by "the position *is* correct"
>>
>>The position is a clear win for black, as in the game.
>
>I believe that is a win for Black, but this is a fact: It is _not_ an
>easy win. Black has to sweat a little bit more.
>Another fact is that in the game White did not chose the most
>stubborn defense which is 5.Re2 rather than 5.Rb1
>It has been analyzed a little bit here on the forum and it was not shown a
>clear path to victory. Many lines has been shown that seemed to suggest that
>Black still has advantage but there were far from resignation.
>I believe that black wins but I did not have have the time to analyze the line
>that I believe it wins.
>Interestingly, Fritz does not see Re2 in the pv and only Rb1 which makes
>a little bit suspicious what it sees.
>
>Regards,
>Miguel
>
>

That is why I suggested that this is an artifact created by large passed pawn
bonuses more than anything else.

>>>If you mean that the move of Fritz gives the best practical chances then you are
>>>correct but if you mean that the move is winning then you are probably wrong(I
>>>am not sure because I did not waste time to check the analysis)
>>
>>If you "did not waste time to check the analysis" why do you comment??
>>If you like we can play on from that position. My move is Rb4.
>>regards
>>Bernhard
>>>
>>>Uri



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