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Subject: Re: Leiden depressions

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 21:02:36 11/06/01

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On November 06, 2001 at 12:16:32, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:

>On November 06, 2001 at 11:35:04, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On November 06, 2001 at 10:36:35, Thomas Mayer wrote:
>>
>>First of all. I did not disallow to adjust clock. I did ask him
>>whether he was insane when he said he wanted to restart his program.
>
>This is my issue with this whole thing. The way to correct
>his time was to restart WinBoard. This implied restarting his
>engine as a sideeffect.
>
>There were at least 12 people closely watching what was happening.
>There's no way he could have done anything but restart his engine
>and set up the position.
>
>You earned the point, no discussion about that. The arbiter
>agreed with you.



Here is another point.  Apparently in one game vincent took an hour to make a
move.  Suppose that he had been there (if he wasn't, and I don't recall whether
he was or was not from the discussion here) and said "hey, this thing has hung,
I need to re-start."  Technically, that should be illegal.  The old ICCA rules
_definitely_ made it illegal to restart on a whim.  The only time a re-start is
allowed is if something _crashes_.

We've all lived by that credo.  And (on occasion) died by that credo.  If the
rule is unpopular, and everybody (or the majority) think that random restarts
are fine, then the rules ought to be amended to make it allowable.

I can see both sides.  One side wanted to fix the clock when winboard doesn't
give a way to do this without a re-start.  One side says "no random restarts
as that is just a bad decision made before the game starts to use an interface
that has that flaw."

I've played in a _bunch_ of tournaments over the years.  I have _never_ used
a GUI.  I can type more than fast enough, and it just removes one level of
potential problems by giving me direct control over the program...

The programs with the best debugging methodology, and the best testing
methodology, are generally the ones that do the best.  From experience...

>
>I just disagree with the argument for not letting him restart
>his engine.
>
>--
>GCP



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