Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 06:09:59 11/07/01
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On November 07, 2001 at 08:59:35, Uri Blass wrote: So you 'proof' whether a move is bad using a preprocessor program junior 5.9 by letting it play some other engine out that line? That's how you play corr chess? >On November 07, 2001 at 08:45:50, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On November 06, 2001 at 16:15:07, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On November 06, 2001 at 11:08:36, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>> >>>>On November 06, 2001 at 07:12:18, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>[D]r4r1k/1bqnbpp1/p2ppn1p/1p1N4/3NP3/P6Q/1PP1BPPP/2BRR1K1 b - - 0 1 >>>> >>>>score from side to move: black in this case. preventing exd5 is hard for diep. >>>> >>>> Proces 1 starting initialisation! >>>> Proces 1 starting SearchSMP! >>>>Took 0.07 seconds to start all 1 other processes >>>>Process 1: engineflags=0 msk=1 >>>>process 0: engineflags = 0 denktime=10000000 maxtime=10000000 >>>>00:01 0 0 5 (0) 1 3.047 e6xd5 >>>>00:01 0 0 298 (0) 2 2.823 e6xd5 Nd4-f5 Nd7-e5 Nf5xe7 Qc7xe7 >>>>00:01 0 0 993 (0) 3 2.823 e6xd5 Nd4-f5 Nd7-e5 Nf5xe7 Qc7xe7 >>>>00:02 0 0 4192 (0) 4 1.780 e6xd5 Nd4-f5 Nd7-e5 Bc1xh6 >>>>00:02 0 0 51089 (6046) 5 1.559 e6xd5 Nd4-f5 Nf6-g8 e4xd5 Nd7-e5 Qh3-g3 Be7-f6 >>>>00:03 0 0 56301 (6094) 6 1.559 e6xd5 Nd4-f5 Nf6-g8 e4xd5 Nd7-e5 Qh3-g3 Be7-f6 >>>>00:03 0 0 102058 (7986) 7 1.559 e6xd5 Nd4-f5 Nf6-g8 e4xd5 Nd7-e5 Qh3-g3 Be7-f6 >>>>00:07 0 0 288681 (19409) 8 0.968 e6xd5 Nd4-f5 Nf6-g8 Qh3-g3 g7-g5 e4xd5 Qc7xc2 N >>>>f5xe7 Ng8xe7 Qg3xd6 >>>>00:29 0 0 1717234 (627103) 9 1.545 e6xd5 Nd4-f5 Nf6-g8 e4xd5 Be7-f6 Bc1-f4 Bf6xb >>>>2 Bf4xd6 Qc7xc2 Bd6xf8 Ra8xf8 >>>>01:06 0 0 4190172 (716119) 10 1.491 e6xd5 Nd4-f5 Nf6-g8 e4xd5 Nd7-e5 c2-c3 Be7-f >>>>6 Bc1-f4 Rf8-e8 Qh3-e3 >>>>06:19 0 0 24299604 (1855064) 11 -0.395 e6xd5 Bc1xh6 g7xh6 Qh3xh6 Nf6-h7 Nd4-f5 R >>>>f8-g8 Nf5xe7 Rg8-g7 e4xd5 Qc7xc2 Qh6xd6 Nh7-f6 b2-b4 Qc2-e4 >>>>13:02 0 0 49593937 (6538513) 12 -0.395 e6xd5 Bc1xh6 g7xh6 Qh3xh6 Nf6-h7 Nd4-f5 R >>>>f8-g8 Nf5xe7 Rg8-g7 e4xd5 Qc7xc2 Qh6xd6 Nh7-f6 b2-b4 Qc2-e4 >>>> >>>>After exd5 bxh6 gxh6 qxh6 nh7: >>>> >>>>00:08 0 0 488500 (233674) 10 0.395 Nd4-f5 Rf8-g8 Nf5xe7 Rg8-g7 e4xd5 Qc7xc2 Qh6x >>>>d6 Nh7-f6 b2-b4 >>>>01:18 0 0 5353202 (1411798) 11 0.438 Nd4-f5 Rf8-g8 Nf5xe7 Qc7xc2 Qh6xd6 Rg8-d8 e >>>>4xd5 Qc2xb2 Ne7-c6 Bb7xc6 d5xc6 >>>>03:30 0 0 14672155 (1533593) 12 0.498 Nd4-f5 Rf8-g8 Nf5xe7 Qc7xc2 Qh6xd6 Rg8-d8 >>>>e4xd5 Qc2xb2 Ne7-c6 Bb7xc6 d5xc6 Nd7-f8 >>>> >>>>then played also Nf5 Rg8 Nxe7 now black to move so score from black: >>>>00:56 0 0 3810025 (20964) 10 -0.563 Qc7xc2 Ne7xg8 Ra8xg8 Qh6xd6 Qc2xe4 Be2-f1 Qe >>>>4-g4 h2-h3 Qg4-f5 Re1-e7 Nh7-f8 Qd6-h6 Nf8-h7 >>>> >>>>After Qxc2: >>>>00:01 0 0 139664 (287) 10 0.563 Ne7xg8 Ra8xg8 Qh6xd6 Qc2xe4 Be2-f1 Qe4-g4 h2-h3 >>>>Qg4-f5 Re1-e7 Nh7-f8 Qd6-h6 Nf8-h7 >>>> >>>>Now played Nxg8 Rxg8. white has powerful rooks + pawns versus 2 stupid knights >>>>now: >>>>00:02 0 0 206052 (4848) 9 0.563 Qh6xd6 Qc2xe4 Be2-f1 Qe4-g4 h2-h3 Qg4-f5 Re1-e7 >>>>Nh7-f8 Qd6-h6 Nf8-h7 >>>>00:27 0 0 1929101 (110179) 10 0.328 Qh6xd6 Qc2xe4 Be2-f1 Qe4-g4 f2-f3 Qg4-f5 Re1 >>>>-e7 Nh7-f8 Qd6-h6 Nf8-h7 >>>> >>>>Played then Qxd6 Qxe4: >>>>00:13 0 0 919572 (355113) 9 1.223 Be2-f1 Qe4-f5 Re1-e7 Nh7-f6 Rd1-d3 Rg8-g6 Rd3- >>>>d2 Kh8-g8 Bf1-d3 >>>>00:47 0 0 3598439 (576201) 10 1.456 Be2-f1 Qe4-f5 Re1-e7 Nh7-f6 Rd1-d3 Qf5-h5 Re >>>>7xd7 Nf6xd7 Qd6xd7 Bb7-a8 >>>> >>>>Moved back Qxe4: >>>>00:02 0 0 149563 (37101) 7 -1.093 Nd7-f6 e4xd5 Nf6-e4 Qd6-e5 f7-f6 Qe5-d4 Qc2xb2 >>>> >>>>00:07 0 0 525112 (190942) 8 -1.390 Nd7-f6 e4xd5 Nf6-e4 Qd6-e5 f7-f6 Qe5-d4 Qc2xb >>>>2 >>>>00:27 0 0 1994572 (569151) 9 -1.094 Nd7-f6 e4-e5 Nf6-e4 Qd6-e7 Qc2-c6 g2-g3 Nh7- >>>>g5 Be2-g4 Rg8-e8 >>>>00:57 0 0 4286455 (751102) 10 -0.984 Nd7-f6 e4-e5 Nf6-e4 Qd6-d7 Qc2-c5 Re1-f1 Nh >>>>7-g5 g2-g3 Bb7-c6 Qd7-f5 >>>> >>>>I moved back many moves now so that only moves left played are: >>>>exd5 Bxh6 gh Qh6 Nh7 Nf5 Rg8 Nxe7: >>>> >>>>Computer starts nullmoving now: >>>>00:01 0 0 77132 (7283) 6 -0.844 Rg8-g7 e4xd5 Nd7-f6 Be2-d3 Nf6-g4 Qh6-h3 >>>>++ d7-f6 >>>>00:01 0 0 92512 (7985) 6 -0.471 Nd7-f6 Ne7xg8 Ra8xg8 c2-c3 Rg8-g6 Qh6-e3 d5xe4 >>>>00:01 0 0 122465 (7985) 7 -0.471 Nd7-f6 Ne7xg8 Ra8xg8 c2-c3 Rg8-g6 Qh6-e3 d5xe4 >>>> >>>>00:02 0 0 196319 (16483) 8 -0.876 Nd7-f6 Ne7xg8 Ra8xg8 c2-c3 Rg8-g6 Qh6-e3 d5xe4 >>>> g2-g3 >>>>++ g8-g7 >>>>00:07 0 0 516145 (67128) 8 -0.779 Rg8-g7 e4xd5 Nd7-f6 Be2-d3 Ra8-b8 >>>>++ g8-g5 >>>>00:12 0 0 859166 (67361) 8 -0.766 Rg8-g5 e4xd5 Nd7-f6 Be2-d3 Rg5-h5 Qh6-f4 Rh5-e >>>>5 Re1xe5 d6xe5 >>>>++ c7-c2 >>>>00:34 0 0 2391556 (154901) 9 -0.626 Rg8-g5 e4xd5 Nd7-f6 Be2-d3 Qc7-c5 >>>>++ g8-g7 >>>>00:45 0 0 3196005 (200404) 9 -0.582 Rg8-g7 e4xd5 Nd7-f6 Be2-d3 Qc7-c5 >>>>++ d7-f6 >>>>00:47 0 0 3399129 (210221) 9 -0.561 Nd7-f6 Ne7xg8 Ra8xg8 c2-c3 Rg8-g6 Qh6-e3 d5x >>>>e4 g2-g3 Nf6-g4 >>>>00:54 0 0 3960848 (233817) 10 -0.664 Nd7-f6 Ne7xg8 Ra8xg8 c2-c3 Rg8-g6 Qh6-e3 d5 >>>>xe4 Qe3-f4 Kh8-g8 Rd1xd6 >>>>01:41 0 0 7352032 (473402) 11 -0.480 Nd7-f6 Ne7xg8 Ra8xg8 c2-c3 Rg8-g6 Qh6-f4 Nf >>>>6xe4 Be2-d3 Rg6-f6 Qf4-h4 Kh8-g8 >>>> >>>>No Qxc2 anymore anyway. Man am i happy i do not have black in that position. >>>>Black must beg for mercy from white to draw this. >>>> >>>>After i move Nd7-f6 now, which is pretty desperate move, then: >>>>00:19 0 0 1421505 (107762) 11 0.595 Ne7xg8 Ra8xg8 c2-c3 d5xe4 g2-g3 Bb7-d5 h2-h4 >>>> Rg8-g6 Qh6-d2 Kh8-g8 Be2-h5 Nf6xh5 Qd2xd5 >>>> >>>>So score slowly going up again for white. White is playing a royal game here. >>>>Black must go back to the chessclub and learn chess, he made some strategic >>>>mistakes here if he allows all this! >>>> >>>>Which side did you play here? >>> >>>I played white and I did not play Nd5 because I decided it does not give me >>>advantage. >>> >>>I may be wrong but I remember that I played also Deep Fritz against Junior5.9 >>>and Deep Fritz could not win with white. >>> >>>I am going to find that game later. >>> >>>I remember that the anlaysis was not an analysis of Ndf6 but of another move(I >>>believe Rg5 but I am not sure now). >>> >>>Uri >> >>Not playing Nd5 could be a simple win indeed. The tactics are tough after Nd5 >>though seemingly favouring white, whereas playing other moves might lead to >>a way easier win. Just put all pieces on king side and tactics will win >>anyway for white. >>win > >I believe that white has no advantage in the original position and that the >position is equal. > >I also believe that after Nd5 black chances are better. > >Junior5.9 played 2 games with black and I stopped them at point when it was >clear to me that Junior is not going to lose the games. > >Junior played Rg7 some moves after Nd5 and there are other possibilities for >black like Rg5 so I was afraid to play Nd5. > >This is not a tactical test but a positional test and I may be wrong about it >and it may be interesting to hear opinions of other people who are better >players than me(for example Albert Silver). > >Uri
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