Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 09:20:11 11/07/01
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On November 07, 2001 at 01:54:39, Thomas Mayer wrote: >Hi Uri, > >> I think that the best solution is to have no operators when the game can be >> played on ICC. > >Well, despite the fact that the event would be not nearly as interesting to the >programmers (it IS a thrill to sit there and operate your program... :) there >would be certain other problems - first of all not all programs can connect to >ICC, the whole ChessBase family for example. This is already possible. Fritz, shredder, tiger, nimzo, Rebel, etc all seem to be playing on ICC automatically today. For those that don't, it is certainly time to develop an interface, or else they can support the winboard protocols and use winboard. This isn't hard to do. And it solves a host of problems. >When you can not see what your opponent is doing because the tourney is played >over internet on different continents this gives place for accusations like >Vincent made in CCT2 against Amir because he thought that there were human >inventions in the game. Also I have heared that there are some rumours that >Vincent have used in CCT1 a Kure book for opening and start his engine after >that... I don't believe both accusations, but tourneys over ICC give rooms for >such things. I wouldn't think of playing all events on (say) ICC. I would consider taking a laptop with linux and FICS on it to the tournament, and connecting every machine into a local area network so that the machines are local, the screens can be seen, the analysis can be seen, but all communication is 100% automated so that no human needs to touch a keyboard or mouse while a game is in progress. >If you use another protocol, like auto232 there is always room for speculations >about your implementation - think about all those topics discussed towards >SSDF... So the gameplay on board with manual operating is in my opinion a good >thing, shouldn't be changed - as long everybody is fair enough to accept that >the engine should win and not the operator (different is the blitz-WM in my >opinion a real operator-WM - afaik diep is quite weak in blitz, but with Vincent >as operator who can move pieces in a speed beyond my understanding (really cool >to watch him when he plays blitz, same about Erdogan Günes when he operates) >everything is possible) Winboard is pretty solid and safe. And the messages can _always_ be logged by both programs to see if something unusual had happened. Auto232 is a piece of trash, so no discussion about it is needed. But the winboard protocol is completely asynchronous, easy to implement, and with robust code support in the form of FICS and traditional socket I/O. No auto232 nonsense is needed. > >Greets, Thomas
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