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Subject: Re: Sacrifices of chess programs

Author: Mark Young

Date: 14:50:06 11/08/01

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On November 08, 2001 at 12:43:23, Uri Blass wrote:

>On November 08, 2001 at 11:04:59, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>On November 08, 2001 at 10:20:37, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>I define a real sacrifice of chess program as a move that is losing material
>>>based on only material evaluation but is played by the program because the
>>>positional score is bigger than a pawn.
>>
>>Most of the Real sacs I have seen are based on mating attacks. Do you define
>>this as a real sacrifice?
>
>If the program can see the mate or can see material that it get I define it as a
>combination and not as a real sacrifice

That is the problem with how you define real sacrifice, it is based on what the
player or computer sees. So it is possible for a given board position to be both
a "combination" or a "real sacrifice" with how you define it based on what
program is playing it, and what it sees.


>
>The test if it is a real sacrifice can be done by a materialistic program with
>good search rules(positional scores always lower than 0.5 pawn so we can know
>the material score based on the score of the program).
>
>If the materialistic program can only see that the sacrifice is losing material
>even after a long search then it is clearly a real sacrifice.
>
>Uri



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