Author: Uri Blass
Date: 13:02:14 11/10/01
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On November 10, 2001 at 14:54:04, Thomas Mayer wrote: >Hi Christophe, > >> So we are both repeating that the comparison was useless? Great. > >I subscribe this without any problem... :) > >> So I still have to understand what was the point of your initial post... > >To show that any engine on Athlon 1333 can not be compared with any engine on >much lower hardware. Not when you try to get after that some estimate how they >will do against humans... >But well, I might be wrong... But it's my opinion... So far nothing show me that >I am wrong... >SSDF knows about the problem, I am sure - anyway they have done this 100 ELO >substraction to have the upper part of the list in some compareable range to >human ELO... and the problem will occur again... And we both agree that it can't >be fair to substract again 100 ELOs... >But what else ? Maybe make seperated lists with only small differences in >hardware ? I have no idea... > >Greets, Thomas > >P.S.: The opinion with that a simple alpha-beta engine with qsearch would have >on Athlon 1200 around 2100 is interesting - this shows even more that comp-comp >lists should not be compared with human lists... In comp-comp lists with very >different strength there will be always some engines far below 2100 when we say >that the best are around 2500 (which is a fair estimation for the best amateur >engines of the winboard engines, I think) But it is hard to guess if they are >really below 2100 against humans... I have bigger estimate for the best amatuers. I believe that the best amatuers are around 2600 on athlon1200 when the commercial programs are around 2700. I assume that most of the times humans play against computer without special preperation for this discussion. I believe that this assumption is correct in most of the cases for humans who played against computers at the low level. Uri
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