Author: Jonas Cohonas
Date: 16:13:31 11/10/01
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On November 10, 2001 at 18:09:32, K. Burcham wrote: > > >so what is it with this "grow up" comment. That was a reply to his: "How for **** sake can you present this as fritz-junior games?" comment >here is my follow up to vincent's comment: > >one of the openings you used jonas was: 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 a6 3.c4 e6 I did not use them, the comp did..... >i checked this queens pawn opening in the tiger book ct.btk. >with the chess tiger 14 book, the move 2.Nf3 will not play. >now after changing books to gambit tiger 2.0, the program can play 2.Nf3. >but the program cannot play 2...a6. > >in my deep fritz, with the deepfritz.ctg book, deep fritz wants to play 2.c4. > >in my shredder5, under book options, book mode, if i select tournament book, >shredder5 will play 2.Nf3. but will not play 2...a6. >with the standard book in shredder5, it will play 2.Nf3 but not 2...a6. >with the wide book in shredder5, it will play 2.Nf3 but will not play 2...a6. >instead shredder5 wants 2...Nf6, or 2...e6, or 2...c6, if 2.Nf3 is played. I did say that i used a book compiled from 2600.pgn...... >(vincents quote) >"with all respect Jonas, >but please look at the bloody nonsense lines the engines play. >How can you take that serious? Also Fritz doesn't seem to be >learning at all, nor does Junior. Did you turn off learning? >Opening like 1.d4,d5 2.nf3,a6 >How for **** sake can you present this as fritz-junior games?" > >seems his comment is in order based on the books i checked. Again i used a book compiled from 2600.pgn... >and i agree with what vincent was saying. sure you can do what ever you want. >it is your software and your time. but the comp-comp tournaments we run can be >any of the following: no book, gambit book only, common openings including >gambits, old theory book, modern up to date theory book, etc.. > >it seems that we could have a tournament with all the top programs with any >combination of these books, such as a tournament with gambit only books. > >but for me, i want 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 > or 1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.Nc3 > or what is accepted as a safe opening so that we can have the >two programs decide with their programs which will win the game, without being >based on the books. but i know that in comp tournaments some of the guys have >their own secret books or books they think are an advantage over their >opponents. we can take one of the top programs and cripple it with a terrible >book, and i suspect it would lose more games than normal. Junior 7 using the 2600.ctg won the match 14.5 - 9.5..... >it seems you could have learned from vincents comment. Yes if i shared his views... Regards Jonas
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