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Subject: Re: Fritz 7 v Junior 7 has ended (24 games pgn, long)

Author: Jonas Cohonas

Date: 16:13:31 11/10/01

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On November 10, 2001 at 18:09:32, K. Burcham wrote:

>
>
>so what is it with this "grow up" comment.

That was a reply to his: "How for **** sake can you present this as fritz-junior
games?" comment

>here is my follow up to vincent's comment:
>
>one of the openings you used jonas was: 1.d4  d5  2.Nf3  a6  3.c4  e6

I did not use them, the comp did.....

>i checked this queens pawn opening in the tiger book ct.btk.
>with the chess tiger 14 book, the move 2.Nf3 will not play.
>now after changing books to gambit tiger 2.0, the program can play 2.Nf3.
>but the program cannot play 2...a6.
>
>in my deep fritz, with the deepfritz.ctg book, deep fritz wants to play 2.c4.
>
>in my shredder5, under book options, book mode, if i select tournament book,
>shredder5 will play 2.Nf3. but will not play 2...a6.
>with the standard book in shredder5, it will play 2.Nf3 but not 2...a6.
>with the wide book in shredder5, it will play 2.Nf3 but will not play 2...a6.
>instead shredder5 wants 2...Nf6, or 2...e6, or 2...c6, if 2.Nf3 is played.

I did say that i used a book compiled from 2600.pgn......

>(vincents quote)
>"with all respect Jonas,
>but please look at the bloody nonsense lines the engines play.
>How can you take that serious? Also Fritz doesn't seem to be
>learning at all, nor does Junior. Did you turn off learning?
>Opening like 1.d4,d5 2.nf3,a6
>How for **** sake can you present this as fritz-junior games?"
>
>seems his comment is in order based on the books i checked.

Again i used a book compiled from 2600.pgn...

>and i agree with what vincent was saying. sure you can do what ever you want.
>it is your software and your time. but the comp-comp tournaments we run can be
>any of the following:  no book, gambit book only, common openings including
>gambits, old theory book, modern up to date theory book, etc..
>
>it seems that we could have a tournament with all the top programs with any
>combination of these books, such as a tournament with gambit only books.
>
>but for me, i want 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4
>          or       1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.Nc3
>          or        what is accepted as a safe opening so that we can have the
>two programs decide with their programs which will win the game, without being
>based on the books. but i know that in comp tournaments some of the guys have
>their own secret books or books they think are an advantage over their
>opponents. we can take one of the top programs and cripple it with a terrible
>book, and i suspect it would lose more games than normal.

Junior 7 using the 2600.ctg won the match 14.5 - 9.5.....

>it seems you could have learned from vincents comment.

Yes if i shared his views...

Regards
Jonas




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