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Subject: Re: Fritz 7 v Junior 7 has ended (24 games pgn, long)

Author: Jonas Cohonas

Date: 16:22:43 11/10/01

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On November 10, 2001 at 17:14:14, Arturo Ochoa wrote:

>On November 10, 2001 at 16:03:19, Jonas Cohonas wrote:
>
>>On November 10, 2001 at 14:31:32, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>
>>>On November 10, 2001 at 13:56:55, Jonas Cohonas wrote:
>>>
>>>with all respect Jonas,
>>>
>>>but please look at the bloody nonsense lines the engines play.
>>>How can you take that serious? Also Fritz doesn't seem to be
>>>learning at all, nor does Junior. Did you turn off learning?
>>>
>>>Opening like 1.d4,d5 2.nf3,a6
>>>
>>>How for **** sake can you present this as fritz-junior games?
>>>
>>>
>>I ran the match in 3 parts and i might have forgotten to turn on book learn in
>>one of those, but i am quite sure that i did not forget.
>
>Hello:
>
>How can you run a Match where you forget the learning capacity in one part of
>the Match??

Easily :)

>Interesting Matches (This is my opinion) are: 1) A Match with the Fritz Book
>capacities learning enabled; 2) A Match with the Fritz Book capacities learning
>unabled.

Interesting too

>If you run a Computer Match, you shouldn't change the initial conditions after
>the Match has been started up.

If i infact forgot to check the booklearning box in one part of the match, it
was not intentionally, i always run these matches with booklearn.

>>I use the default book for the engine tested against other opponents and for the
>>opponents i use a book generated from 2600.pgn which means: shorter openeing
>>lines and more exotic openings to avoid the same ol' openings we see all the
>>time.
>
>A random opening book has the problem of many blunders and it cannot mean you
>have more exotic openings. If you generate a book from a pgn file, Fritz will
>save the statistics about the opening lines. Then, you can have the same main
>openings of the standard book with more blunders.

Junior 7 using the 2600.ctg (exotic book) won the match 14.5 - 9.5

>It would be interesting, if you can generate a book from a pgn file of a
>specific opening line. For example: the mentioned Sicilian "Exotic" Line.
>And see the result after 24 games. It would be really interesting to see 24
>games with a weird Sicilian line!!! :)

Yes indeed :)

>>This is not an attempt to run perfect games, with perfect lines that suit you
>>Vincent, this is purely an experiment, take it or leave it.
>>And with all respect Vincent, grow up!!
>
>I agree that this is not an attempt of the perfection but this cannot be
>consider a "pure experiment", when you haven't controled the most important
>variables of this Match to publish this result.

Well shame on me :)

>I understand perfectly what Vincent means and there's no matter of growing up
>keeping like a child.

It is his tone, not the actual content of his post i was reffering to, he is
entitled to his own opinion. I did not run this match to offend anyone!

Regards
Jonas



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