Author: Andrew Smith
Date: 22:10:36 11/10/01
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On November 11, 2001 at 00:03:18, K. Burcham wrote:
>
>
>i know lots here will have opinions on this one.
>i play at chess.net, and ICC. both are computer accounts.
>i win more than i lose.
>the difference in my games and the comp accounts, are that i make all manual
>moves. i have a different feel for my games because i move manually.
>i am able to watch eval against humans and other programs.
>
>i have noticed that against humans my eval is not steady at all, it fluctuates.
>against programs my eval is usually steady, either close to 0, or slowly drops.
>of course with pawns in endgame my eval will raise quickly if it is a won game.
>
>here is a game i just played against a human account that i feel like was using
>a program with strong hardware. also i watched him play other programs and it
>seemed the same. equal material with no positional advantage through entire
>game usually means program. he played each game i watched, to an endgame
>position against programs.
>
>[Date "2001.11.10"]
>[Time "21:58:01"]
>[White "Bullet_To_Brain"]
>[Black "xracer"]
>[WhiteElo "2364"]
>[BlackElo "2506"]
>[TimeControl "300+5"]
>[Mode "ICS"]
>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>[ECO "A15"]
>
>1. c4 Nf6 2. g3 c5 3. Nf3 b6 4. Nc3 Bb7 5. Bg2 e6 6. O-O Be7 7. d4
>cxd4 8. Nxd4 Bxg2 9. Kxg2 a6 10. e4 d6 11. f4 Qc7 12. Qa4+ Qd7 13. e5 dxe5
>14. fxe5 Ng4 15. Bf4 Qxa4 16. Nxa4 Nd7 17. Rac1 g5 18. h3 gxf4 19. hxg4
>Nxe5 20. gxf4 Nxg4 21. Kh3 h5 22. Nc6 Bd8 23. c5 bxc5 24. Nxd8 Rxd8 25.
>Nxc5 Rh6 26. Rg1 a5 27. Rg2 Rd4 28. Nb3 Rxf4 29. Nxa5 Rf3+ 30. Rg3 Nf2+
>31. Kg2 Rxg3+ 32. Kxg3 Nd3 33. Rb1 e5 34. b4 h4+ 35. Kh3 Nf4+ 36. Kh2 Ra6
>37. a3 e4 38. Nc4 Rc6 39. Rc1 Nd3 40. b5 Nxc1 41. bxc6 Kd8 42. Kh3 Kc7
>43. Kxh4 Nd3 44. Kg5 Kxc6 45. Kf6 Kc5 46. Ne3 Kd4 47. Nf5+ Kd5 48. a4 Nc5
>49. a5 Na6 50. Ne3+ Kc6 51. Kxf7 Kd6 52. Kf6 Nc5 53. Kf5 Kd7 54. Ke5 Kc6
>55. Nd5 Nd3+ 56. Kxe4 Kb5 57. a6 Kxa6
>{Game drawn because neither player has mating material} 1/2-1/2
>
>check out this conversation we had. these are the typical questions i ask when
>someone says they are not using a program. i think this conversation is a dead
>giveaway, especially when he starts to brag on his overclocked pc. and check
>out his answer about him being a master.
>
>
>Bullet_To_Brain tells you: overclocker?
>Tell Bullet_To_Brain yes
>(told Bullet_To_Brain: "yes")
>Bullet_To_Brain: 1450 athlons are a good overclocker.
>Tell Bullet_To_Brain yes very
>(told Bullet_To_Brain: "yes very")
>Tell Bullet_To_Brain you play like a program
>(told Bullet_To_Brain: "you play like a program")
>Bullet_To_Brain tells you: I have 2 of them. An xp
>1800 oced to 1.8ghz ( good water cooling ) and a 1.2
>oc'ed to 1.4
>Bullet_To_Brain: Not really
>Bullet_To_Brain tells you: Not really.
>Bullet_To_Brain tells you: I make many mistake's
>Tell Bullet_To_Brain every move is perfect like a
>program
>(told Bullet_To_Brain: "every move is perfect
>like a program")
>Bullet_To_Brain tells you: You should of seen me play
>GreatDane... BLUNDER AFTER BLUNDER
>Tell Bullet_To_Brain try shredder at 30/0
>(told Bullet_To_Brain: "try shredder at 30/0")
>
>Tell Bullet_To_Brain are you a master
>(told Bullet_To_Brain: "are you a master")
>Bullet_To_Brain tells you: Ill play a 30 minute game
>after 9pm
>Bullet_To_Brain: I have to get my g.f. at 8
>Bullet_To_Brain tells you: Im working on becoming a
>master.
>Bullet_To_Brain tells you: I moved to Japan last
>summer and was tutored by a great
>
>Bullet_To_Brain tells you: So IM slowly working my
>way up. I dont have much time to play in tourney's
>because of school.
>
>Bullet_To_Brain tells you: So do you want to play in 2
>hours?
>
>Tell Bullet_To_Brain not against your program
>(told Bullet_To_Brain: "not against your program")
>
>Bullet_To_Brain tells you: If you like i can send you a
>pda of all my tourney games.
>Tell Bullet_To_Brain ok lets do that but you
>said you were not a master, but you had a draw
>with 1500 mhz and one of todays top programs
>(told Bullet_To_Brain: "ok lets do that but you
>said you were not a master, but you had a draw
>with 1500 mhz and one of todays top programs")
>Tell Bullet_To_Brain some gm cant do that
>(told Bullet_To_Brain: "some gm cant do that")
>Tell Bullet_To_Brain i just beat an IM at icc
>(told Bullet_To_Brain: "i just beat an IM at icc")
>Bullet_To_Brain tells you: Ill send you the pda. :) there
>are 3 games against gm's
>Tell Bullet_To_Brain did you beat them
>(told Bullet_To_Brain: "did you beat them")
>Bullet_To_Brain tells you: Drew each game
>Tell Bullet_To_Brain but you said you were not a
>master, and drew 3 games with gm
>(told Bullet_To_Brain: "but you said you were not a
>master, and drew 3 games with gm")
>Bullet_To_Brain tells you: That is not enough for you
>master norm.
>Bullet_To_Brain tells you: Look at Josh Waitzkin. At
>the age of 11 he drew kasparov, yet he did not
>become a NM until the age of 12...
>Bullet_To_Brain tells you: Not only that, he beat his
>first gm at the age of 14 and did not become a GM
>until last year ( 8 years later )
>Tell Bullet_To_Brain you compare yourself to josh
>(told Bullet_To_Brain: "you compare yourself to
>josh")
>Bullet_To_Brain tells you: Not at all.
>Tell Bullet_To_Brain but your games are perfect
>moves for a human
>(told Bullet_To_Brain: "but your games are perfect
>moves for a human")
>Bullet_To_Brain tells you: As a matter of fact, IM great
>friends with his cousin SOPHIA BERGES.
>Bullet_To_Brain tells you: Well, put this to rest in 2
>hours if you like.
>Tell Bullet_To_Brain you know sophia
>(told Bullet_To_Brain: "you know sophia")
>Bullet_To_Brain tells you: I sure do. She stayed at my
>house for a week while she was waiting to get into
>Cal Art's
>Tell Bullet_To_Brain when we played you kept my
>eval at 0, humans dont do that against my
>program
>(told Bullet_To_Brain: "when we played you kept my
>eval at 0, humans dont do that against my
>program")
>Tell Bullet_To_Brain only programs with large mhz
>do that
>(told Bullet_To_Brain: "only programs with large
>mhz do that")
>Bullet_To_Brain tells you: Sure they do.
>Bullet_To_Brain tells you: My tutor smashes Deep
>Fritz in under 10 minutes
>Bullet_To_Brain tells you: Running 2 1.2 mp's
>Tell Bullet_To_Brain i just beat an IM at ICC he
>could not do it
>(told Bullet_To_Brain: "i just beat an IM at ICC
>he could not do it")
>Tell Bullet_To_Brain and you said you were not
>even a master
>(told Bullet_To_Brain: "and you said you were not
>even a master")
>Bullet_To_Brain tells you: Hahahahah Ill be a master
>in a month if I play a few more tourney's
>Tell Bullet_To_Brain whenever i play humans my
>eval usually fluctuates
>(told Bullet_To_Brain: "whenever i play humans my
>eval usually fluctuates")
>Bullet_To_Brain tells you: I would of been there by
>now if not for school.
>Tell Bullet_To_Brain do you play at ICC
>(told Bullet_To_Brain: "do you play at ICC")
>Bullet_To_Brain tells you: I did awhile back.
>Bullet_To_Brain tells you: In 99
>Bullet_To_Brain tells you: Hey, I have to get my gf. Be
>here in 2 hours and well finish
>Bullet_To_Brain tells you: Ok.
>Tell Bullet_To_Brain ok
>(told Bullet_To_Brain: "ok")
>Bullet_To_Brain tells you: 30 minute game
>Tell Bullet_To_Brain ok
>(told Bullet_To_Brain: "ok")
>Bullet_To_Brain tells you: Dont leave.
>Tell Bullet_To_Brain ok
>(told Bullet_To_Brain: "ok")
>
>kburcham
This is the kind of nonsense you can find everywhere at Yahoo! and such servers.
The only server where you can hope to avoid this almost completely that I know
of is ICC. It's not worth believing what these people say. They are just wannabe
patzers with fast computers :)
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