Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 05:43:27 11/11/01
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On November 10, 2001 at 19:13:31, Jonas Cohonas wrote: >On November 10, 2001 at 18:09:32, K. Burcham wrote: > >> >> >>so what is it with this "grow up" comment. > >That was a reply to his: "How for **** sake can you present this as fritz-junior >games?" comment > >>here is my follow up to vincent's comment: >> >>one of the openings you used jonas was: 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 a6 3.c4 e6 > >I did not use them, the comp did..... you clicked off tournament book from Kure first, the comp by default has it turned on. >>i checked this queens pawn opening in the tiger book ct.btk. >>with the chess tiger 14 book, the move 2.Nf3 will not play. >>now after changing books to gambit tiger 2.0, the program can play 2.Nf3. >>but the program cannot play 2...a6. >> >>in my deep fritz, with the deepfritz.ctg book, deep fritz wants to play 2.c4. >> >>in my shredder5, under book options, book mode, if i select tournament book, >>shredder5 will play 2.Nf3. but will not play 2...a6. >>with the standard book in shredder5, it will play 2.Nf3 but not 2...a6. >>with the wide book in shredder5, it will play 2.Nf3 but will not play 2...a6. >>instead shredder5 wants 2...Nf6, or 2...e6, or 2...c6, if 2.Nf3 is played. > >I did say that i used a book compiled from 2600.pgn...... now a completely lunatic book you make look great by not letting it play against a tournament book. So the illusion you create is that nonsense openings can be played! >>(vincents quote) >>"with all respect Jonas, >>but please look at the bloody nonsense lines the engines play. >>How can you take that serious? Also Fritz doesn't seem to be >>learning at all, nor does Junior. Did you turn off learning? >>Opening like 1.d4,d5 2.nf3,a6 >>How for **** sake can you present this as fritz-junior games?" >> >>seems his comment is in order based on the books i checked. > >Again i used a book compiled from 2600.pgn... > >>and i agree with what vincent was saying. sure you can do what ever you want. >>it is your software and your time. but the comp-comp tournaments we run can be >>any of the following: no book, gambit book only, common openings including >>gambits, old theory book, modern up to date theory book, etc.. >> >>it seems that we could have a tournament with all the top programs with any >>combination of these books, such as a tournament with gambit only books. >> >>but for me, i want 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 >> or 1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.Nc3 >> or what is accepted as a safe opening so that we can have the >>two programs decide with their programs which will win the game, without being >>based on the books. but i know that in comp tournaments some of the guys have >>their own secret books or books they think are an advantage over their >>opponents. we can take one of the top programs and cripple it with a terrible >>book, and i suspect it would lose more games than normal. > >Junior 7 using the 2600.ctg won the match 14.5 - 9.5..... Wrong conclusion. Fritz without tournament book lost a match, no big deal. I knew in advance this would get your conclusion, because you can't look at the facts objective. >>it seems you could have learned from vincents comment. > >Yes if i shared his views... Devil's advocate: Your view is 2600 book is ok. First match it gets slaughtered of course against default Kure + Fritz. Second match you unclick learning and even had to turn off tournament book, only then it starts to win. That fritz is carefully tuned to just play a very narrow openings repertoire you prevent then by having it play random book moves. >Regards >Jonas
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