Author: Jonas Cohonas
Date: 05:48:45 11/11/01
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On November 11, 2001 at 08:43:27, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On November 10, 2001 at 19:13:31, Jonas Cohonas wrote: > >>On November 10, 2001 at 18:09:32, K. Burcham wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>so what is it with this "grow up" comment. >> >>That was a reply to his: "How for **** sake can you present this as fritz-junior >>games?" comment >> >>>here is my follow up to vincent's comment: >>> >>>one of the openings you used jonas was: 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 a6 3.c4 e6 >> >>I did not use them, the comp did..... > >you clicked off tournament book from Kure first, the comp >by default has it turned on. > >>>i checked this queens pawn opening in the tiger book ct.btk. >>>with the chess tiger 14 book, the move 2.Nf3 will not play. >>>now after changing books to gambit tiger 2.0, the program can play 2.Nf3. >>>but the program cannot play 2...a6. >>> >>>in my deep fritz, with the deepfritz.ctg book, deep fritz wants to play 2.c4. >>> >>>in my shredder5, under book options, book mode, if i select tournament book, >>>shredder5 will play 2.Nf3. but will not play 2...a6. >>>with the standard book in shredder5, it will play 2.Nf3 but not 2...a6. >>>with the wide book in shredder5, it will play 2.Nf3 but will not play 2...a6. >>>instead shredder5 wants 2...Nf6, or 2...e6, or 2...c6, if 2.Nf3 is played. >> >>I did say that i used a book compiled from 2600.pgn...... > >now a completely lunatic book you make look great by not letting it play >against a tournament book. > >So the illusion you create is that nonsense openings can be played! > >>>(vincents quote) >>>"with all respect Jonas, >>>but please look at the bloody nonsense lines the engines play. >>>How can you take that serious? Also Fritz doesn't seem to be >>>learning at all, nor does Junior. Did you turn off learning? >>>Opening like 1.d4,d5 2.nf3,a6 >>>How for **** sake can you present this as fritz-junior games?" >>> >>>seems his comment is in order based on the books i checked. >> >>Again i used a book compiled from 2600.pgn... >> >>>and i agree with what vincent was saying. sure you can do what ever you want. >>>it is your software and your time. but the comp-comp tournaments we run can be >>>any of the following: no book, gambit book only, common openings including >>>gambits, old theory book, modern up to date theory book, etc.. >>> >>>it seems that we could have a tournament with all the top programs with any >>>combination of these books, such as a tournament with gambit only books. >>> >>>but for me, i want 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 >>> or 1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.Nc3 >>> or what is accepted as a safe opening so that we can have the >>>two programs decide with their programs which will win the game, without being >>>based on the books. but i know that in comp tournaments some of the guys have >>>their own secret books or books they think are an advantage over their >>>opponents. we can take one of the top programs and cripple it with a terrible >>>book, and i suspect it would lose more games than normal. >> >>Junior 7 using the 2600.ctg won the match 14.5 - 9.5..... > >Wrong conclusion. Fritz without tournament book lost a match, >no big deal. > >I knew in advance this would get your conclusion, because you can't >look at the facts objective. > >>>it seems you could have learned from vincents comment. >> >>Yes if i shared his views... > >Devil's advocate: > >Your view is 2600 book is ok. First match it gets slaughtered of >course against default Kure + Fritz. > >Second match you unclick learning and even had to turn off >tournament book, only then it starts to win. That fritz is carefully >tuned to just play a very narrow openings repertoire you prevent >then by having it play random book moves. > >>Regards >>Jonas Fritz 7 used its standard Fritz7.ctg throughout the whole match... Regards Jonas
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