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Subject: Re: endgame position

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 12:25:03 11/13/01

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On November 13, 2001 at 09:57:20, Jon Dart wrote:

>This occurred in a testgame, Yace vs. Arasan:
>
>[D] 8/4kp2/4p3/p2pP2n/Pp2nPp1/1P2P1P1/2K1N3/4B3 b - -
>
>Yace played f6! and won. The current released version of Arasan (5.4) takes a
>long time to find this. My latest development build takes about 25 seconds on an
>Athlon 1.3GHz. Crafty 18.10, however, selects it instantly and sticks to it.
>
>I haven't had time to analyze this yet. Is there some obvious piece of knowledge
>that makes the solution easy for some programs, hard for others?

Here is what the crafty output looks like, for those who have not run it to see
for themselves:

PFGA: EPD record: 1
end-game phase
              clearing hash tables
              time surplus   0.00  time limit 16:39 (16:39)
         nss  depth   time  score   variation (1)
                8->   0.21  -0.22   1. ... f6 2. Nd4 Nhxg3 3. Bxg3 Nxg3
                                    4. Nc6+ Kf7 5. exf6 Kxf6 6. Kd3 Ne4
                                    7. Nxa5
                9     0.35  -0.24   1. ... f6 2. Nd4 Nhxg3 3. Nc6+ Kf7
                                    4. exf6 Nf5 5. Ne5+ Kxf6 6. Nxg4+ Ke7
                                    7. Kd3
                9->   0.38  -0.24   1. ... f6 2. Nd4 Nhxg3 3. Nc6+ Kf7
                                    4. exf6 Nf5 5. Ne5+ Kxf6 6. Nxg4+ Ke7
                                    7. Kd3
               10     0.73  -0.32   1. ... f6 2. Nd4 Nhxg3 3. Nc6+ Kf7
                                    4. exf6 Nf5 5. Ne5+ Kxf6 6. Nxg4+ Ke7
                                    7. Bd2 Kd6
               10->   0.77  -0.32   1. ... f6 2. Nd4 Nhxg3 3. Nc6+ Kf7
                                    4. exf6 Nf5 5. Ne5+ Kxf6 6. Nxg4+ Ke7
                                    7. Bd2 Kd6
               11     1.96  -0.51   1. ... f6 2. Nd4 Nexg3 3. Nc6+ Kf7
                                    4. exf6 Nf1 5. Kd3 g3 6. Kd4 g2 7.
                                    Bf2 Nxf6 8. Nxa5
               11->   2.04  -0.51   1. ... f6 2. Nd4 Nexg3 3. Nc6+ Kf7
                                    4. exf6 Nf1 5. Kd3 g3 6. Kd4 g2 7.
                                    Bf2 Nxf6 8. Nxa5
               12     4.77  -0.54   1. ... f6 2. exf6+ Kxf6 3. Kd1 Ng7
                                    4. Nd4 Nf5 5. Nxf5 Kxf5 6. Kc2 e5 7.
                                    fxe5 Ke6 8. Kd3 Kxe5
               12->   4.92  -0.54   1. ... f6 2. exf6+ Kxf6 3. Kd1 Ng7
                                    4. Nd4 Nf5 5. Nxf5 Kxf5 6. Kc2 e5 7.
                                    fxe5 Ke6 8. Kd3 Kxe5
               13     7.00  -0.64   1. ... f6 2. exf6+ Kxf6 3. Kd1 Ng7
                                    4. Nd4 Nf5 5. Nxf5 Kxf5 6. Kc2 e5 7.
                                    Kd3 Ke6 8. fxe5 Kxe5 9. Ke2 Kf5 <HT>
               13->   7.31  -0.64   1. ... f6 2. exf6+ Kxf6 3. Kd1 Ng7
                                    4. Nd4 Nf5 5. Nxf5 Kxf5 6. Kc2 e5 7.
                                    Kd3 Ke6 8. fxe5 Kxe5 9. Ke2 Kf5 <HT>
               14    13.06  -0.59   1. ... f6 2. exf6+ Kxf6 3. Kd3 Ng7
                                    4. Nd4 Nf5 5. Nc6 Nc5+ 6. Kc2 Nxe3+
                                    7. Kd2 Nf5 8. Nxa5 Nxg3 9. Kc2 Nge4
                                    10. Bxb4
               14    15.75  -0.71   1. ... Ng7 2. Nd4 Nf5 3. Nxf5+ exf5
                                    4. Kd3 Nc5+ 5. Kc2 f6 6. exf6+ Kxf6
                                    7. Bf2 Ke6 8. Be1 Kd6 9. Bf2 Ne4 10.
                                    Be1 Kc5
               14->  16.22  -0.71   1. ... Ng7 2. Nd4 Nf5 3. Nxf5+ exf5
                                    4. Kd3 Nc5+ 5. Kc2 f6 6. exf6+ Kxf6
                                    7. Bf2 Ke6 8. Be1 Kd6 9. Bf2 Ne4 10.
                                    Be1 Kc5
               15    22.58  -0.59   1. ... Ng7 2. Nd4 Nh5 3. Ne2 f6 4.
                                    exf6+ Kxf6 5. Kd3 <HT>
               15    45.19  -1.01   1. ... f6 2. exf6+ Kxf6 3. Kd3 Nc5+
                                    4. Kc2 Ng7 5. Nd4 Nf5 6. Nxf5 Kxf5
                                    7. Bd2 Ne4 8. Be1 <HT>
               15->  45.98  -1.01   1. ... f6 2. exf6+ Kxf6 3. Kd3 Nc5+
                                    4. Kc2 Ng7 5. Nd4 Nf5 6. Nxf5 Kxf5
                                    7. Bd2 Ne4 8. Be1 <HT>
               16     1:12  -0.94   1. ... f6 2. exf6+ Kxf6 3. Kb2 Ng7
                                    4. Nd4 Nf5 5. Nc6 Nxe3 6. Nxa5 Ng2
                                    7. Bxb4 Nxg3 8. Nc6 Nxf4 9. Bc3+ Kf5
                                    10. Nd4+ Ke4 11. b4
               16->   1:16  -0.94   1. ... f6 2. exf6+ Kxf6 3. Kb2 Ng7
                                    4. Nd4 Nf5 5. Nc6 Nxe3 6. Nxa5 Ng2
                                    7. Bxb4 Nxg3 8. Nc6 Nxf4 9. Bc3+ Kf5
                                    10. Nd4+ Ke4 11. b4
               17     2:42  -1.32   1. ... f6 2. exf6+ Kxf6 3. Kb2 Ng7
                                    4. Nd4 Nf5 5. Nxf5 Kxf5 6. Kc2 Nc5
                                    <HT>
               17->   2:47  -1.32   1. ... f6 2. exf6+ Kxf6 3. Kb2 Ng7
                                    4. Nd4 Nf5 5. Nxf5 Kxf5 6. Kc2 Nc5
                                    <HT>
               18     9:49     ++   1. ... f6!!
               18->  11:32  -1.71   1. ... f6 2. exf6+ Kxf6 3. Kb2 Ng7
                                    4. Nd4 Nf5 5. Nxf5 Kxf5 6. Kc2 Nc5
                                    <HT>
              time=16:39  cpu=100%  mat=0  n=588986251  fh=88%  nps=589k
              ext-> chk=22138301 cap=1825163 pp=3242847 1rep=426470 mate=8088
              predicted=0  nodes=588986251  evals=156065983
              endgame tablebase-> probes done=0  successful=0



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